There are many reasons why China and Japan won't go to war. Now is the time to explore how to actively prevent it.
The ongoing crisis over the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands may be bringing Asia to the cusp of war. Trefor Moss recently wrote that a Japan-China war over these disputed islands is very unlikely. That could be right. Or it could be wrong. But even a very small chance of a Sino-Japanese war breaking out in 2013 is enough reason to work to try to prevent it.
What follows is a six-point plan to seek to deescalate the dispute in the short term. It is no doubt flawed and incomplete, but international diplomacy is never perfect, nor does it have to be. However imperfect a resolution to this dispute may be, it is almost certainly preferable to war for all parties involved.
The following recommendations are directed at Chinese and Japanese decision-makers:
1. Remember the price of war.
Looking at a two-dimensional military map, drawing arrows and moving colored chips across it is the highest possible abstraction of war. The strategist’s viewpoint reduces lives to tokens, dehumanizes war, and gives the mistaken illusion that killing and dying is as simple as a game of chess. Always remember the costs of war when making decisions of such gravity. Transport your mind into that of the soldiers and sailors you are sending to their graves. Ask yourself, as the philosopher does, what becomes of your humanity “while half a pound of lead, sent from the distance of a hundred steps, pierces my body, and I die at twenty years of age, in inexpressible torments, in the midst of five or six thousand dying men…” As an unnamed source put it, “there’s some 24-year-old kid in the Japanese Coast Guard who has a family and friends. At some point he’s going to take a .50 caliber round over this.” Always bear these images in your mind before you commit lives to the horrible business of war.
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John Chan
The article should present the 6 ways neutrally if the USA wants to be the honest broker in Asia. For example:
1. The article should not start off portraying Japanese as the victim by ignoring that Japanese is the aggressor who encroaches on China’s territory and escalates the tempo of the confrontation with its Fascist Militarist forebears’ techniques that had been used in the years they were carrying out wars in China.
2. The article should state that China has been asking Japan to recognize the reality and sit down with China to resolve the dispute; yet Japan with USA’s backing refuses to recognize the dispute at Diaoyu Islands. The article should point out that rigidity of Japanese Fascist Militarism mentality is in the way to consider any face saving approach to resolve the dispute peacefully.
3. The article should lecture the Japanese who keeps on moving red lines forward, from JCG harassing China’s fishermen to F-15s to harassed China’s unarmed surveillance plan to threatening to shoot tracer at China’s unarmed plan to fabricating radar beaming accusation to Abe’s provocative statement in Washington.
4. The article should warn USA’s reckless behaviour by giving the Japanese wrong signal and raising the Japanese hope that they can overcome China by including USA’s military capabilities as their own. The root of miscalculation at Diaoyu confrontation is USA’s own doing, USA must bear the responsibility in any disaster happens at Diaoyu Islands.
5. The article should point out the root of heighten tension at Diaoyu Island is due to the remnant of the evil Axis power’s toxic Fascist militarism in the Japanese ruling class. USA must cleanse those toxins out of Japanese society, so that a strategy of graduated reciprocity in tension reduction can be introduced.
6. USA views UN as the biggest obstacle to its application of its laws of jungle, and the handicap to its free rein of the world with American Exceptionalism. To make “6. Ring Ban Ki-moon” creditable, USA must practice what it preaches and rein in its lackey Japan under the UN rules.
Xprseview
Vow if this writer opinion has any merit than why American has waged so many wars, 28 since WWII.
CCP’s Mistress
The largest disparity between CCP and developed nations, and the hardest thing to change, is EDUCATION system.
Any kids indeed may have been been well-educated, well-raised, behaves well, but these are not the most important…
What is most important is what is right and what is wrong and being sensible.
Children don’t have this kind of hate on their own. In the end, it’s because of environmental influences and the education from family and school.
I get chills in my heart every time I see incidents inciting nationalistic hatred. Past humiliation of course must not be forgotten, but the seed of hate and vengeance should also not be forever passed down. Using historical hate to go hurt innocent people is very stupid.
Perhaps it is time for China's patriotic education to be more objective. China anti-Japanese sentiments should be softened too. Children are impressionable. Their hearts should be pure and good. When he sees his own compatriots setting fire to Japanese car dealers, smashing Japanese cars, surrounding and vandalizing JUSCO, or when the education in school involves instilling anti-Japanese hate, his patriotism has already begun becoming twisted. Furthermore, when recently there have even been people posting online about spraying themselves with Borancit [a Viagara type of product] and raping Japanese women into extinction, there is even less morality and rationality to be said.
Do CCP have to continue this kind of grudge for generations upon generations? Which generation will it end? The CCP's EDUCATION system makes me really shocked and ashamed…
Victims
Well, Xi Jinping sent his daughter to Harvard to have a chance to learn something that himself and millions of CCP's members never known in their entire life:
A chance to learn between Right, Wrong, Truth and being a sensible person.
nirvana
…and to learn that the humiliation is not being invaded but being kept ignorant, the greatest humiliation is not to forget lessons from history but to be forced to believe fabricated history. The ultimate humiliation for a nation is to cultivate lies, starting right from its raison d'être, the principles solemnly given in the preamble of its Constitution.
Jean-Paul
The author makes some very valid points however the fact remains that China is an extremely aggressive and hostile nation that must be contained as soon as possible. I am not advocating for war but rather peaceful measures to help stop the beast that the PRC has become.
They have allied themselves with a mafia thug state to their north and a crazed warmongering stalin wannabe to their east. The international community needs to immediately place severe sanctions on China to cripple its economy and force regime change. Once that insane regime is destroyed from within we must make sure that China cannot rise up ever again. This can be done by splitting China up like the Soviet Union and then enacting some unequal treaties on those broken states.
This is the most peaceful solution for the world, if China gets too strong it will try and resurrect its ancient tributary system and unleash centuries of darkness on all those poor asians, the international community must be prepared to defend and protect those poor asians from harm
applesauce
1. the precise problem for this is that china does remember the price of war, and the price for it paid to japanese imperialism from which japan got control of these islands in the first place. the weak governemnt in the late 1800-early 1900 gave concession after concession(in "incidents") only to have the japanese push for more and full war broke out anyways. so this time the government has chosen to stand its ground and you can hardly blame them after the japanese broke the status quo.
2. give the oppsing side a chance to save face, very good advise
3. respect red line. it has been the japanese thats been crossing the red lines here. there was a status quo and in fact the original normalization agreements between the nations calls for china and japan to neogtiate the disputed areas in the future, being unable to control their own governers then nationalizing the islands, spat in the face of that agreement and broke decades of behavior rules, as does authorizing warning shots at which the chinese immediately declared that a warning show will be viewed as a attack and responded to as such. the chinese meanwhile have only been responding to such provacations despite what the media trys to paint.
4. this is an area which both sides have faults, truth is, both sides are close enough in numbers and capabilities that its be hard to tell who would win in a naval engagement
5. china should carefully considering abe's olive branch. that facts on the ground have already been changed, in china's favor, theres really no need to push further.
6. kim would be a heck of a lot better/credible 3rd party mediator than the US thats for sure.
Kim’s Uncle
So pro- commie posters here! I think I have created a loyal following! Remember Chinese , human wave tactic does not work on water! :)
John Chan
@Kim,
Proclaiming other’s invention as your invention? No wonder the American, Japanese, etc. always claim only they can invent and everybody else is stealing from them.
papa john
JC, you are really a very bad student of chairman Mao. I read the little red book, it said human wave tactic is the proudest invention of China. You don't earn 50 cents on that post.
Kim’s Uncle’s Uncle
Of all the recommendations, #4 is the best one. Nothing seems to make someone eager for a fight than the false perception of guaranteed victory. Both China and Japan need to make honest assessment of their own and each other's capabilities and come to a determination as to how confident they are they will achieve victory. Chances, are their confidence levels should not be exceedingly high.
Bankotsu
"Both China and Japan would stand to gain by inviting Ban Ki-moon’s assistance to resolve the dispute – or at the very least prevent war."
I also hope that U.S and Haiti can invite Ban Ki-Moon to resolve the navassa island dispute.
U.S., Haiti claim wildlife-rich island
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/haiti/dispute.htm
Reason
So, what if the US expresses interest in such an island – and then reliquishes to Haiti – how stupid will China look.
nirvana
Another typical "whataboutism" line of defense. But, contrarily to common belief, the Unites States have accepted the arbitration of the ICJ in sovereignty disputes before (cf Las Palmas island case, Netherlands versus the United States).
MrHuang
As a democratic country, it is unlikely that Japan will start the war. China is the most possible country to start the war first. If that happen, it will be a disastrous consequence for China and the rest of the world. Since many company manufacturing its product in China, the world economy will be damage . But for Chinese it self, the consequence of war will be so huge.It economy will collapse and losing pretige it is the most likely. There is no way for China to win the war when technology disparity between its army and Japan and USA is so big . leaders in Beijing know this fact so well, hope they don't lose their mind for now.
John Chan
@MrHuang,
Japan is an unapologetic war criminal; its society is poisoned by the remnants of the WWII toxic Fascist Militarism. After paying homage to his lordship master Obama, Abe declared in Washington Japan is going to embark on it forebears’ bellicose path. Japan’s behaviour is totally contradictory to what you have said; in fact Japan is mostly possible country to start the war first.
Kim’s Uncle
One miscalculation and china’s red navy will be at the bottom of the East Sea! At sea china can’t use its vaunted human wave tactic. No wonder Taiwan has been independent all these years!
John Chan
@Kim,
American is in the business of imperialism, not in the business of charity; they have proved themselves merciless and will bomb and kill victims into total destruction on fabricated accusation. USA and its lackey an unapologetic war criminal, Japan, are notorious in creating incidence then expanding the incidence into full scale war in order to justify their aggression and atrocities against the victims.
They do not need miscalculation to sink anybody’s navy to the bottom of sea; it proves you are barking like a warmonger gone mad with white foam dripping from your mouth.
Chairman Mao
Hi John Chan. That's a nice long reply but it sucks at addressing OP. You seem to just want to lash out against America instead of discussing things. Are you Chinese supposed to do that automatically whenever you're country's mentioned in a negative light even when America's not addressed at all? You're barking at the wrong tree.
PS: America>China
John Chan
@Chairman Mao,
You need to learn “You will get what you do to others” if you feel uncomfortable being trashed, then you should not trash others to start with. Rules apply to others do not apply to yourself is hypocrisy the gospel said.
Jean-Paul
@ John Chan
Please for once take some responsibility for your actions, the article is not mentioning America, but rather Japan and China. Stop trying to point fingers to America and instead look at how your country is bringing the world to the brink of armageddon instead.
The west has tried its best to be friends with China but thanks to people like you, it will never happen. In the 1980s America and the EU wanted to be friends and trade with China; we gave you the worlds biggest consumer markets to grow your pathetic, poor economy and now you guys are showing how ungrateful you are.
France and the old imperial powers in particular wanted to reset relations but you instead want to stab us in the back to try and get revenge, how petty of the Chinese to do such a dirty act. The old imperial powers have already redeemed themselves from their past yet you continue to post garbage, please look in the mirror for once.
TV Monitor
@ John Chan
The JMSDF doesn't even need a US help to take out two PLAN fleets; the US intervention is merely an insurance policy. The JMSDF is not being called the second-strongest navy in the world for no reason.
It is in China's best interest to avoid confrontations with the JMSDF, as any battle will end in a humiliating defeat for the PLAN.
John Chan
@TV Monitor,
Japan is an unapologetic war criminal, its forte is creating incident then expanding the incident to full scale war in order to unleash its savagery against the victims. If JMSDF is as good as you bragged, it would have repeated what its forebears had done in the 1984 long time ago.
JMSDF is a thug; it has been behaving like its ancestors, the pirates. It is about time for PLAN to rein them in for the freedom of navigation in the ECS.
Freedom for China
@ john chan
FALSE: "American is in the business of imperialism, not in the business of charity"
America is and has been the largest contributor of foreign aid. It also runs and has run the largest trade deficit, which contradicts one of the essential elements of imperialism. Where as China invaded and is STILL occupying Tibet, East Turkistan, and Inner Mongolia. The self-immolation of Tibetians to protest China's imperialism shows the shamelessness of the CCP's demographic genocide.
The world is safer because Saddam Hussain and the Taliban are out of power, and Iraq and Afghanistan are now democracies. Their standards of living are now increasing immensly each year.
China isn't even a democracy, and the CCP destroys or attacks anything that threatens it's domination of the Chinese people. When it comes to atrocities and aggression, Japan doesn't even come close to what Mao did to the Chinese people.
It would be very difficult to interpret your comments as anything more than brainwashed CCP propaganda, since we all know that the common Chinese people aren't even allowed to read anything critical of the CCP, as this publication sometimes publishes articles that are.
Oldertimer
Who has the ability and will to put the PLA Navy to the bottom of the East Sea? You?
mareo2
@Oldertimer
February 24, 2013 at 7:14 am
Who has the ability and will to put the PLA Navy to the bottom of the East Sea? You?
We, the japanese people have the ability.
“China is definitely planning a strategy to conquer the Senkaku Islands,” claimed senior researcher of Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), Richard Fisher. The chance of a Senkaku Battle is not “zero” — the question is: “Is Japan ready to respond?”
The U.S. has made it clear that the Japan-U.S. Bilateral Security Treaty is applicable to the Senkaku Islands. However, former JMSDF member, Hideki Nakamura shared, “In reality, I doubt the U.S. would actually fight. I believe their realm of support will be to provide information and logistical support only.”
What are the odds of JSDF winning?
Fisher shared his views, “If the battle is focused around the vicinity of the Senkaku Islands, I believe JSDF will have the advantage. The JSDF members are far more professional, and their level of readiness is superior to that of Chinese military members. The key in this battle will be the Japanese submarines. Japan has the best conventional submarines in the world, and will be able wipe out the Chinese submarines at a stroke.”
Meanwhile, there are still concerns about air combat due to the fact that Chinese has Naval Air Fleet while JMSDF does not. Fisher continued, “Although it may seem disadvantageous, JMSDF can respond with aegis ships. Furthermore, there’s a 3000 meter runway on Shimoji Island. If JASDF could dispatch F-15′s and F-2′s from there, it would actually be advantageous to Japan.”
China has increased its defense budget by over 10% for the last 20 years, yet their capabilities are still inferior to JSDF. Fisher stated, “For example, China plans to deploy a stealth fighter jet, but the experts say the aircraft is a ‘mock-stealth’. Furthermore, Chinese submarines are extremely loud so they are easy to detect.”
http://jsw.newpacificinstitute.org/?p=10584
Chinese air force not yet a match for Japan's
Despite China's apparent numerical equality, experts feel it is in no position to impose and maintain aerial superiority – let alone aerial supremacy – over the disputed area.
"In short, Japan has a significant edge," says Oriana Mastro, a fellow at the Center for a New American Security think tank.
Another regional defence expert feels that Beijing would be at a significant disadvantage in any shooting war over the islands.
"They can fly a few J-10s out and perhaps fly alongside Japanese F-15s, but could they sustainably project power that far out from the mainland over an extended period?" he asks. "China only has limited experience using its [Xian] H-6 as tankers." Tokyo, by contrast, can call on a four-strong fleet of Boeing KC-767s.
Another area where Beijing is weak is in airborne early warning and control (AEW&C). Its new force of Y-8-based KJ-200 and adapted Ilyushin Il-76 KJ-2000 platforms are untested, while Japan has four recently upgraded E-767 AEW&C aircraft (below) and 13 Northrop E-2C Hawkeyes.
"In a conflict Japan would have far better situational awareness," the source says. "Also, Japanese pilots are able to operate autonomously of ground control, but Chinese fighters would likely operate under GCI [ground controlled interception]."
http://rpdefense.over-blog.com/article-chinese-air-force-not-yet-a-match-for-japan-s-114714838.html
And we have the will. If the corrupt and oppressive CCP try to take by force what it cannot claim by right, we will fight. Not India, not Vietnam, not Philippines, not Japan is surrendering to territorial claims based on historical revisionism from a regime that made up lies and hide the truth for manipulate their own people. Japan will fight and we are not planning to lose for garner sympathy, we are going to fight for an undeniable victory like the battle of Tsushima. Because every PLA fighter, warship and submarine we neutralize, will give more time to other countries threatened by the CCP border expansionism to improve their defenses. Sunk the PLA navy will make safe not only Japan but also make less likely that the greedy CCP attack other countries in the Asia-Pacific region, like a PRC invasion of Taiwan. Japan will fight not because we think that "might make right" like the CCP think when oppress their own people, but because it may be our chance inside the limits of our constitution to atone for our past crimes making the sacrifices of our people for the greater good.
Do this answer your question?
papa john
Of course, the Chinese know so well, they can't win against well equipped with samurai siprit Japanese so all the tough talk spewed out, just to look tough.
Chernenko
JMSDF can more than handle THe PLA-N, relatively new to the blue water navy game. Some aging Soviet desgined warships, and a few newer frigates, are no match for Aegis equiped destroyers. Your loud nuclear attack submarines, will be sunk the fastest. If its one thing the JMSDF excells at its ASW.
nirvana
@mareo2,
If I was you, I would not be worried. The purpose of the CCP is to give "ammunitions" to the vocal right-wing in Japan. The more there are loud ultranationalist voices in Japan, the more it suits Beijing. The aim is to have the American public feel fed-up of this never-ending WW2 conflict. Because Beijing knows: the soft belly of Uncle Sam is the Americans opinion.
War will be more likely to spark in the South China Sea. China (PRC) is a clever coward.
Observer
@ Oldertimer,
Russian Navy blew up chinese ships and shot to death several chinese a few months ago but china and chinese were so scared and too cowardice to say or do anything. What is the matter? Why suffer the shame and humiliation but so silent?
Japan has one of the best (quality) Navy in Asia. Bully china would not dare to push it around as it did with smaller neighbors with no Navy. Be careful or the "Rapes of Nanking" will happen again. Remember how Japan shamed and humiliated china and chinese? How sad.
Liang1a
Observer had often talked like he is a Chinese. Now it is obvious that he is not a Chinese. He is obviously a Japnese in disguise.
Japnese navy may or may not be one of the best in the world. But it is still inferior to the Chinese navy. People are judging the relative quality of the Chinese and Japnese navies today based on the last naval battle fought in 1895 or some 120 years ago and keep saying Japnese navy is superior. This is why it is good for China to take the opportunity to show the world how much Chinese military in general and Chinese navy in particular has advanced. It will take little more than 30 minutes for the Chinese land based anti-ship missiles such as DF-21D and DF-25 to wipe out most of Japnese surface ships. The Chinese air force fighter bombers such as JH-7 and J-11B can go in and systematically wipe out any remaining surface naval ships. Lastly, Chinese naval ships can go in and mop up those Japnese ships that are still floating and arrest the Japnese sailors on those ships. And Chinese submarines and anti-sub helicopters can systematically hunt down all Japnese submarines. Within a few more days the Japnese navy will be wiped out never to rise again. And peace will finally reign in Western Pacific.
This is why America is not enthusiastic about helping Japan to fight China. America knows there is too much probability that its aircraft carriers will be sunk by China's very accurate anti-ship ballistic missiles. Therefore, America will not help Japan to fight China. In the end, it is a very good opportunity for China to settle the old score. I think America might even like to see China wipe Japan out to keep it from moving to the extreme right. Whatever happened to Japnese navy it will not hurt America's economic relationship with China unless it actively fight on Japan's side. So there is no reason for the US to fight China just to help Japan.
a_canadian_observer
@Liang1a: Sounds like a win-win situation for china. What is it waiting for?
Liang1a
a_canadian_observer wrote:
February 27, 2013 at 1:52 am
@Liang1a: Sounds like a win-win situation for china. What is it waiting for?
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Liang's response:
For the last 10 years, China has been under the control of Hu and Wen who are a couple of money grubbing corrupt cowards. They have systematically prevented the Chinese government from actively defend China's sovereignty for fear of losing their opportunity to make more money and in the process turn Chinese government into another Qing government. These two pieces of scums will be officially leaving the Chinese government in March, 2013. Hopefully, following their departure the new team of Chinese leaders will be wiser and more courageous and dare to take more military means to fight Japnese aggressions. It is obvious that the Chinese military is itching to have another chance to fight the Japnese and revenge the dishonor of the past 120 years.
Observer
@ liang01,
Still NOTHING about Russian Navy shot to death several chinesese? What is the matter? Where are all the usual big talk from you and other chinese posters such as "teach them a lesson" or "undisputed territories" or "historic evidences"? LOL.
When will china and chinese restore the dishonor and shame of 1858 and 1860? (For those that did not know, Russia killed countless chinese and took over 600 thousands square kilometers of land from china in 1858 and 1860).
Typical of china and chinese, all big empty talk and pathetic threats to smaller neighbors but so scared and afraid of the big and strong.
Liang1a
Kim’s Uncle wrote:
February 22, 2013 at 12:27 pm
One miscalculation and china’s red navy will be at the bottom of the East Sea! At sea china can’t use its vaunted human wave tactic. No wonder Taiwan has been independent all these years!
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China can wipe out Japnese navy even without firing a single misslie from any of its hundreds of war ships. China can wipe out all Japnese ships and American ships just by hitting them with anti-ship BMs and CMs. Japnese ships with their inferior radars can't even track Chinese missiles let alone jamming them. This has been proven by the recent incidence when Chinese search radar locked on Japnese destroyers and they cannot evade it for minutes. In the modern missile warfare if you can't jam your enemy's radar and got locked on for "minutes" then you are going down to Davy Jones' Locker for dinner (for the fishes).
nirvana
If we listen to Liang1a, they are already at war ! They are not "training", they are testing whether you can jam their missile radars. Now they know you can't, what next?
War between China and Japan is indeed unavoidable if there are outstanding issues from WW2 to finish up. Even till there are no "minor islands that we shall determine" left to determine, there would be still good pretexts for war: to punish, to humiliate… and to "scare the monkey".
Good grief talking about thousand years of "civilisation", talking about leading mankind, about the Great Harmony…
papa john
Liang1a can't stand without a cane, his days are numbered. His tough talking is a fake. Just ignore him.
Japan & US : Assertions Without Proof
It is very curious Mr Obama and Abe refuses to release "evidence" of the Chinese ship radar-locking on the Japanese destroyer. Why the reluctance? Come, come … enough of your play acting and accusations. If it is true what the Chinese ship did, what's the reason for suppressing the evidence? What is the point of making allegations without proof? How do you expect the reasonable man-in-the-street to believe just on account of hearsay? If that is the case, anybody can do the same and you can forget about truth and justice forevermore. As it is, the killing of Osama bin Laden is already very suspect with conflicting evidence and testimony to Washington's claim. And now, this double act of "radar-locking" claim.
Liang1a
Japan & US : Assertions Without Proof wrote:
February 27, 2013 at 1:58 am
It is very curious Mr Obama and Abe refuses to release "evidence" of the Chinese ship radar-locking on the Japanese destroyer. Why the reluctance? Come, come … enough of your play acting and accusations. If it is true what the Chinese ship did, what's the reason for suppressing the evidence? What is the point of making allegations without proof? How do you expect the reasonable man-in-the-street to believe just on account of hearsay? If that is the case, anybody can do the same and you can forget about truth and justice forevermore. As it is, the killing of Osama bin Laden is already very suspect with conflicting evidence and testimony to Washington's claim. And now, this double act of "radar-locking" claim.
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The Japnese can't produce the proof because they either don't have any proof or the proof will reveal the backwardness of their inferior technologies. The Chinese have made great advances in radar technologies while the Japnese destroyers and frigates are being suppressed by Americans so that they have PESA radars which are much inferior to the Chinese AESA radars.
Liang1a
nirvana wrote:
February 25, 2013 at 9:19 pm
If we listen to Liang1a, they are already at war ! They are not "training", they are testing whether you can jam their missile radars. Now they know you can't, what next?
War between China and Japan is indeed unavoidable if there are outstanding issues from WW2 to finish up. Even till there are no "minor islands that we shall determine" left to determine, there would be still good pretexts for war: to punish, to humiliate… and to "scare the monkey".
Good grief talking about thousand years of "civilisation", talking about leading mankind, about the Great Harmony…
Liang's response:
China and Japan to some degrees are already at war. Japan has used ramming and water-cannoning against Chinese fishing boats. China is now beginning to retaliate. Up to now, the Chinese leaders in the persons of Hu and Wen are extremem cowards. They are little more than a couple of money grubbing lackeys supported by a small clique of exporters and compradors. Now that they are leaving China has taken a more active policy to confront Japan and other aggressive neighbors.
I don't know what Nirvana was referring to by "they"? The Japnese had accused China of locking Japnese ships with fire-control radars. So if anybody had demonstrated they cannot jam the other's radar it was the Japnese who had demonstrated they can't jam the Chinese radar. Of course, since the Chinese had denied it, we don't know for sure what happened. Maybe the Chinese locked the Japnese ships with "search radar" and the Japnese either knowingly or unknowingly confused it with fire-control radar. This is most probably the truth since there was no point for the Chinese ships to use fire-control radar on the Japnese ships as the search radar was apparently powerful enough to give a stern warning to the Japnese.
Thousands of years of civilization should not make a nation degenerate, weak and cowardly. It should make it wise and understands the psychology of both civilized peoples and primitive uncivilized peoples. You deal rationally with civilized peoples. Against primitive aggressive uncivilized peoples who respect only strength, rationality will not work. They must be dealt with by ruthless punishments to let them know the consequences of aggressions. Only when China can deal appropriately with both civilized peoples and primitive uncivilized peoples can China lead the world into a new era of peace, justice and prosperity.
nirvana
By "they" I meant the PLAN. Now to the question whether the incident did occur and why the Japanese government decided not to provide their evidence, I can suggest several answers:
Possibility 1: The two capitals were scared enough at this near clash of their Navies that they have secretly agreed to calm things down. "Don't ask. Don't tell".
Possibility 2: Japan realized it was a trap. The radar test was designed to know how much Japan knew. To prove that the radar signature recorded was indeed fire-control radar from that ship is a tough exercise (unless you have recorded such signals secretly before). Therefore, it would be an easy game for China to deny, requiring Japan to disclose more top-secret knowledge.
Liang1a should replace Yang Jiechi: "China is big country and other countries are PRIMITIVE, that's a fact".
Liang1a
nirvana wrote:
February 27, 2013 at 8:02 pm
By "they" I meant the PLAN. Now to the question whether the incident did occur and why the Japanese government decided not to provide their evidence, I can suggest several answers:
Possibility 1: The two capitals were scared enough at this near clash of their Navies that they have secretly agreed to calm things down. "Don't ask. Don't tell".
Possibility 2: Japan realized it was a trap. The radar test was designed to know how much Japan knew. To prove that the radar signature recorded was indeed fire-control radar from that ship is a tough exercise (unless you have recorded such signals secretly before). Therefore, it would be an easy game for China to deny, requiring Japan to disclose more top-secret knowledge.
Liang1a should replace Yang Jiechi: "China is big country and other countries are PRIMITIVE, that's a fact".
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Nirvana, you're so much fun to kick around. You're the perfect example of a PRIMITIVE.
I've heard of so much nonsense about why the Japnese won't produce the proof they threatened to reveal. The obvious answer is the Japnese simply don't have such a proof. All the proof they need to produce is a recording of the Chinese radar waves. But in order to do that they have to be able to keep track of the constant shifting of frequencies. Most probably the Japnese can't keep up with the frequency shifting so that they don't have a complete record of the Chinese radar waves. If the Japnese produced such an incomplete recording then they would indeed be revealing their technological backwardness which is obviously an embarrasing secret they don't want the world to know. It was announced by the Japnese that the Chinese "locked" the Japnese for several minutes in spite of Japnese attempt to evade the locking. Most probably the Chinese stopped locking the Japnese after several minutes after the Japnese turned and ran away. So obviously the Japnese failed completely to jam the Chinese radar and would have been locked on for a much longer period if the Chinese did not stop locking them.
Also, it is probably not fire control radar at all. Most probably it was just an advanced version of search radar which can make very narrow and fast sweep of the Japnese ships. So the Japnese ships mistook it for fire control radar.
nirvana
@Liang,
If it helps you feeling good by calling others "primitive", that's your right. I would not put myself to your level.
Allow me to point out, even with basic argument skill, one would avoid claiming something "obvious" then back one's statement with a "most probably…." explanation. And one would not continue with a "most probably" hypothesis, to conclude with a "So, obviously…" .
"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance". Do you know who said this Liang?
Kanes
That is because the nuclear option was never used. So far.
BTW China need no navy to tackle Taiwan. It is very short range.