Photos posted to the Internet in China last week seem to confirm that the Chinese Navy has installed arrestor gear and other vital equipment on its refurbished Soviet-made aircraft carrier, the ex-Varyag. If genuine, the installations could represent a big step forward for the first-ever seaborne, fixed-wing aviation capability for the People's Liberation Army Navy.
One image appears to show a traditional four-wire arrangement on the aft flight deck of the roughly 1,000-foot-long carrier. Another depicts a small tractor of the type used to move aircraft around the deck.
The ex-Varyag, which was speculated to have been renamed the Shi Lang in Chinese service, underwent more than a decade of rework in Dalian shipyard following her acquisition from Russia in the late 1990s. She conducted her first sea trial in July and performed a second, brief, at-sea test in November. These tests didn't include fixed-wing aircraft. Indeed, much of the equipment necessary to support airplanes apparently had apparently not been installed.
In December, a Chinese government spokesman denied rumors that Russia had refused to sell China arresting gear. The ex-Varyag's deck equipment was being developed indigenously, the spokesman said.
The wires and the tractor should allow the ex-Varyag to begin flight trials with navalized J-15 fighters as early as this spring – assuming, of course, that other requisite gear has also been installed, including air-traffic-control radars, communications, aircraft fueling and repair facilities.
Even with all that equipment in place, it could take years for China to train aviators and deck crew to safely and efficiently launch, recover and maintain carrier-based aircraft. Coordinating ship and plane tactics could require additional years of trial and error.
A truly effective carrier capability is one of the Holy Grails of modern naval operations. China's progress toward that goal has been slow but steady.
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venkat s kanakamedala
china is digging its grave.better to have a change in china for a true democracy.
china will go to stone era by messing up peace in Asia.after nuke attack china will
not see the sun for 6 months.radiation will last few decades.it is the fate of
china at last.
Ako Ni Pre
What Mr. Chan?
Copying technologies, currency manipulations weren’t enough for China! Now China will grap spratly island that belongs to Philippines. Shame!
Liang1a
Below is an excerpt from an article at the following link. I don’t know if this is true but it could very well be. It seems that China is indeed building at least 2 more aircraft carriers to be deployed by 2016. The date of deployment may come sooner as often happened with Chinese weapon systems. This is not surprising. What is new is the news that Varyag will be upgraded to nuclear power and will deploy some kind of rail gun. If the rail gun is effective then this would be a very effective defensive weapon to shoot down incoming missiles, even ballistic anti-ship missiles. It could even defend against nuclear warheads as it could shoot them down many tens of miles away. Those who laugh and disparage Chinese military can now stop laughing.
The report also said China will build 4 more carriers. But the number may be increased to 10 to be deployed by 2020. If most or all of them are nuclear powered and armed with rail guns then they could easily defeat American carrier groups anywhere in the world especially if additionally defended by nuclear subs and carry dozens of J-18 stealth fighters each which are said to be superior to America’s F-35.
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http://bbs.miercn.com/201203/thread_98093_1.html
香港明报报道，《镜报月刊》报道，目前停泊在大连港的航母训练平台瓦良格号将改
建为中国首艘核动力航母。而国产的另两艘常规动力航母最快分别于2014、2015年
下水，一年后服役，而瓦良格航母将被命名为“旅顺”号。
Translation:
Hong Kong Ming Bao reports, <> reports that Varyag training
platform for aircraft carrier which is currently moored at Dalian Port will
be the first nuclear powered aircraft carrier. The two indigenously produced
conventional aircraft carriers will be launched respectively in 2014 and
2015 and will be deployed one year later. Varyag will be renamed “Li Shun”
(Smooth Travel).
港媒文章称，在决定瓦舰重建前，中国已批准自制4艘航母的计划，首批两艘常规动
力航母最快分别在2014、2015年下水，一年后服役。届时，中国可能将近7万□的瓦
舰改建成核动力航母并安装先进的电磁弹射器。瓦良格航母有了核动力将产生的强
大电力，便可安装电磁弹射器，这是中国航母赶超美国的关键技术之一，所以该项
计划或多方支持
Translation:
The Hong Kong media said, before deciding to rebuild Varyag the Chinese
government had approved the plan to build 4 indigenously produced aircraft
carriers. The first two conventional power carriers will be launched in
2014 and 2015 respectively and deployed one year later. At that time China
probably will change Varyag to nuclear powered carrier and install advanced
electromagnetic rail gun. When Varyag has nuclear power to produce powerful
electricity, it can install the electromagnetic rail gun. This is a key
technology where the Chinese aircraft carrier will overtake America. This
is why this plan has support from many sides.
ACT
and considering that China has yet to even test a railgun? there’s a few reasons why the US hasn’t yet gone forward with mounting such weapons on its ships. the first is that after only a few shots, magnetic forces warp the barrel to the point that it can no longer be used. Second is the immense power draw; nothing but a nuclear powered ship could mount such a weapon, and it’s impractical to refit US naval ships with nuclear reactors.
Liang1a
ACT wrote:
March 25, 2012 at 4:36 am
and considering that China has yet to even test a railgun? there’s a few reasons why the US hasn’t yet gone forward with mounting such weapons on its ships. the first is that after only a few shots, magnetic forces warp the barrel to the point that it can no longer be used. Second is the immense power draw; nothing but a nuclear powered ship could mount such a weapon, and it’s impractical to refit US naval ships with nuclear reactors.
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Liang’s response:
And where is your basis for thinking that China has not tested its railgun extensively? There are plenty of evidence to think that Chinese scientists and engineers have been working on railguns for a long time. It is not surprising that Chinese have developed a working version of railgun that is now good enough to be deployed. It may be impractical to refit American ships with nuclear reactors but since Varyag will be upgraded to nuclear power anyway, it would be a good place to deploy China’s first railgun. The carrier needs a good defensive weapon and it has the nuclear reactor to provide the power. Don’t assume that China’s technologies will always lag that of the American technologies. Historically, China has been far ahead of the West until the last couple of hundred years. the West is the upstart while China is now moving back to its historical position as the primary nation in the world. So just because American railgun is still not functioning as desired does not mean the Chinese railgun must also be unacle to function effectively.
Asu Peartea
Having lived in China and having experienced the high-speed trains there before the crash that got reported, at THAT TIME I was terrified while riding on Chinese technology at 400+ kph. Every second of the trip I was near panic at the idea that I was hurling down the Chinese railway on a Chinese-built train that was “based on a copy” of German trains, in a word, just another Chinese fake product. Now the Chinese are developing their own technology to hurdle fake Russian planes into the air from a fake launch system. What in that picture doesn’t make you fear for the lives of the pilots and all of the people within harms way?
Liang1a
Asu Peartea wrote:
March 23, 2012 at 7:06 am
Having lived in China and having experienced the high-speed trains there before the crash that got reported, at THAT TIME I was terrified while riding on Chinese technology at 400+ kph. Every second of the trip I was near panic at the idea that I was hurling down the Chinese railway on a Chinese-built train that was “based on a copy” of German trains, in a word, just another Chinese fake product. Now the Chinese are developing their own technology to hurdle fake Russian planes into the air from a fake launch system. What in that picture doesn’t make you fear for the lives of the pilots and all of the people within harms way?
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Liang’s comment:
Then just stay out of China, why don’t you? Who asked you to go there anyway?
Some 37,000 people got killed on American roads every year. It is still much safer to travel on Chinese high speed trains than on American cars on American roads.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China#Passenger_transport
“In 2008, 1.456 billion people travelled 772.8 billion km by rail.”
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With 1.5 billion people travelling on trains in 2008 the number of deaths on trains is practically none. I give below some train deaths by country and date. I think you’re better off riding Chinese trains than Japanese or American trains which kill more people even at very slow speeds.
2005
April 25, Osaka, Japan: commuter train derailed and hit an apartment building near Osaka, killing at least 107 and injuring 460. It was the worst Japanese train accident since 1963. The accident was allegedly caused by the driver trying to get the train back on schedule.
2008
Sept. 12, California: a metrolink commuter train collided with a freight train northwest of Los Angeles, killing 25 passengers.
2009
June 22, Washington D.C.: nine people died and over 70 more were injured when a subway train crashed at rush hour.
Read more: Railroad Accidents: number of deaths, dates and locations of crashes — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001450.html#ixzz1pzXAdh3h
ACT
@ liang1a
you said:
ACT, I do not speak for the Chinese people or even the Chinese government. As for my own sentiment, I have no wish to harm anybody. But it is a fact that China has been attacked for some 200 years. It still being encircled today by a ring of American bases. I am not worried by this because I know China has the ability to sweep these away when it grow to its full potential. Therefore, America and all countries in the world does not need to fear China. But those who would harm China obviously needs to be deeply concerned. If you are one of those who are occupying Chinese territories then you better be prepared to be hit hard and soon. But for those who only want to live in peace with China they can look with optimism for a much better world with China’s rise.
I don’t see the Chinese as being superior genetically. But I do think the Chinese are as good as anybody else. I do believe the Chinese are harder working and have higher respect for scholarship. Therefore, I have every confidence that China will rise to its full potential unless suppressed by its own government or betrayed by traitors who sold out to foreigners such as the luo3 guan1 or unencumbered officials whose families have already settled in foreign countries. Obviously, the CCP government has done a very poor job developing China over the last 60 plus years. I applaud Mao’s nationalism but he ruined China’s economy and slowed down China’s technological advancement by closing the universities. Now the Dengist clique has corrupted the Chinese government and degraded the Chinese people turning many into reverse racists who kowtow to every kind of foreigners. However, there are still many honorable and intelligent Chinese who are pushing to shift China’s economy and politics away from the emasculating exports to developing the internal economy based on indigenous technlogical advancement and the urbanization of the farmers while making China energy self-sufficient. You are right in that China cannot rely on exports to foreign countries. Obviously China cannot develop a $100 trillion economy by catering to the consumers of developed countries whose economies have gone down the toilet and can never be expected to import more than what they current import.
China has no plan to punish anybody other than those who had inflicted barbarous atrocities on China; and those who still harbor dreams of invading China. All the evil you attributed to China are only what you see in your own mirror. China will become very rich and powerful not because the Chinese are genetically superior but because individually they are harder working than foreigners and there are 1.5 billion Chinese which together can produce a bigger economy than all the economies in the rest of the world combined.
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Liang1a,
first, thank-you for the clarification. I’d like you to confront you on some of your points, though
1. what do you mean by Chinese territories, and how far do they extend? is military force the only solution, and if so, why the excessive numbers of carriers? nations perform better on the world stage when they are able to encourage cooperation by mutual respect and soft power, not by military or “hard power”
2. what do you mean by the Guan1 Luo3? how did the Dengists ruin china? what form of corruption did that take? how is the export economy emasculating, and how would you have it?
i agree with you on the chinese education system and its respect for education over all; over here in the united states, parents go to our teachers and tell them that they should not have any homework, whereas the opposite is true in China; there are even schools now that do not use textbooks and do not assign homework but instead focus on hands on learning, which in my mind is a mistake; the US has a lot it could learn from China in terms of education, seeing that most of the United States’ technological achievements have come from inviting foreigners to do their research here (see: Braun, Einstein, among others).
3. setting that aside, what do you mean by barbarous atrocities, and who committed them? that could easily mean Britain and the other european powers (the opium wars and the unequal treaties), Japan (see 1st and 2nd sino-japanese wars), and a whole host of others….please clarify. As for the United States, well…. yes, it is something of a tomato in the mirror, considering what the United States did between the late 1700′s (northwest ordinance) and the 1950′s (treaty of San-francisco), but that doesn’t make what the PRC did (and is doing) to tibet and xinjiang any less wrong…
Liang1a
ACT
March 23, 2012 at 6:01 am
@ liang1a
first, thank-you for the clarification. I’d like you to confront you on some of your points, though
1. what do you mean by Chinese territories, and how far do they extend? is military force the only solution, and if so, why the excessive numbers of carriers? nations perform better on the world stage when they are able to encourage cooperation by mutual respect and soft power, not by military or “hard power”
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Liang’s response:
Chinese territories include all those territories clearly defined as Chinese territories in the history of China. These would include Mongolia, Ryukyu, Diaoyu Islands, S. China Sea islands, Zhang Nan in S. W. China, etc. Tibet has been a part of China’s sovereign territories since the Yuan Dynasty. Xinjiang has been a part of Chinese territories since the Han Dynasty more than 2,000 years ago. China needs as many carrier groups as its enemies combined and then 50% to 100% more to assure victory. Therefore, if China’s combined enemies have 15 carriers then China must have some 23 to 30 carriers to assure victory. It is fortunate for China that it can easily afford so many carriers once it achieved its full potential. Also a reasonable amount of military spending will stimulate technological advancement and provide jobs and investment. The trich is not to spend to excess so that it squander too much resources and reduce reinvestment. Soft power is just opium dream. Peace cannot be sustained by soft power just as preaching morality will not prevent crimes in the general society. You need a powerful military to maintain peace just as you need a big police to put away the criminals.
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ACT
March 23, 2012 at 6:01 am
2. what do you mean by the Guan1 Luo3? how did the Dengists ruin china? what form of corruption did that take? how is the export economy emasculating, and how would you have it?
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Liang’s response:
It is not Guan1 Luo3 but luo3 guan1 or 裸官 which means literally naked officials or unencumbered officials. These are officials in the government who have sent their wives and children overseas to become foreign citizens while they alone stay behind in China to make as much money as they can almost always with corruption. They have bought houses, cars, businesses, etc. that cost more than can be accounted for by their legal and meager incomes as government officials. The Dengists have ruined China by leading it into a dead end street by relying on exports. Now China’s development has come to a dead stop and is threatened by a dangerous collapse unless domestic development can replace exports. The Dengists have created a housing bubble in the last several years that could have collapsed the entire Chinese economy but for its timely price control which now has stopped the housing prices from increasing but has also caused the loss of huge amounts of investments from speculators. And still the housing prices are too high and beyond the reach of most migrants. Chinese people have squandered their time and labor to produce cheap products for exports for low pay that keep them from affording expensive medical services and higher education for their children thus assuring China’s ability to bridge the “middile class trap”. In fact, unless China can shift away from exports and sustainably expand its domestic economy, China will be trapped in its current low level of economic development and never advance. This is why the Dengists have ruined China’s economy. It has enriched a very small group of compradors and corrupt officials but have doomed the vast majority of Chinese to perpetual poverty.
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ACT
March 23, 2012 at 6:01 am
i agree with you on the chinese education system and its respect for education over all; over here in the united states, parents go to our teachers and tell them that they should not have any homework, whereas the opposite is true in China; there are even schools now that do not use textbooks and do not assign homework but instead focus on hands on learning, which in my mind is a mistake; the US has a lot it could learn from China in terms of education, seeing that most of the United States’ technological achievements have come from inviting foreigners to do their research here (see: Braun, Einstein, among others).
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Liang’s response:
Education includes 2 aspects. The first is to learn a body of knowledge such as the laws of physics, the names and characteristics of the elements and the amino acids, the facts of evolution, the important events in history, etc. The second is the ability to reason logically to elucidate the truth in order to solve problems. Chinese excel in physics and math and can be expected to be able to solve technological problems such as designing new radars, arrestor cables, advanced jets engines, etc. Ethnic Chinese account for some 25% or more of America’s recipients of doctorate degrees in science and engineering every year or some 5,000 out of some 20,000. But too problems exist in Chinese education system where too many people cannot afford the high cost of education and those who graduated are lured by overseas companies who can pay higher wages than Chinese companies. This is another important reasons why the Dengists have ruined China.
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ACT
March 23, 2012 at 6:01 am
3. setting that aside, what do you mean by barbarous atrocities, and who committed them? that could easily mean Britain and the other european powers (the opium wars and the unequal treaties), Japan (see 1st and 2nd sino-japanese wars), and a whole host of others….please clarify. As for the United States, well…. yes, it is something of a tomato in the mirror, considering what the United States did between the late 1700’s (northwest ordinance) and the 1950’s (treaty of San-francisco), but that doesn’t make what the PRC did (and is doing) to tibet and xinjiang any less wrong…
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Liang’s response:
You know perfectly well what “barbarous atrocities” mean. I mean exactly what you think it means. And you also know perfectly well who have committed them. You just don’t kill millions and caused the deaths of tens of millions more and then just walk away and pretend they’re not important. China will ultimately demand a just settlement.
Other problems and issues cannot be used to obscure these atrocities. Furthermore, Xinjiang and Tibet have always been part of China. They have been part of China even before there was a United State of America. Xinjiang was a part of China by the Han Dynasty and Tibet was a part of China by at least the Yuan Dynasty. There is nothing wrong for China to maintain its sovereignty over these sovereign territories. Furthermore, if you claim it is wrong for China to claim sovereignty over Tibet then you must also admit it is wrong for the US to claim sovereignty over the former territories of Mexico that include the entire southwestern US. In fact, the Chinese have treated the local Uygurs and Tibetans much better than the white US government has treated the native Americans. Most of the Uygurs and Tibetans are proud to be called Chinese and enjoy having much higher incomes than people just beyond the Chinese border such as the Indians or the Tajiks.
Liang1a
Errata:
Chinese people have squandered their time and labor to produce cheap products for exports for low pay that keep them from affording expensive medical services and higher education for their children thus assuring China’s ABILITY to bridge the “middile class trap”.
The above should be:
“…thus assuring China’s INABILITY to bridge the “middile class trap”.”
ACT
@liang1a
for number 3, i wasn’t neccessarily disputing sovereignty so much as i was inferring as to what was going on there. From what i have read, thousands of local tibetans or uighurs have been forced out of their jobs or denied access to the economic benefits that came with PRC sovereignty due to the purposeful mass immigration of regular Han peoples.
Liang1a
ACT wrote:
March 23, 2012 at 3:53 pm
@liang1a
for number 3, i wasn’t neccessarily disputing sovereignty so much as i was inferring as to what was going on there. From what i have read, thousands of local tibetans or uighurs have been forced out of their jobs or denied access to the economic benefits that came with PRC sovereignty due to the purposeful mass immigration of regular Han peoples.
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Liang’s response:
All lies. Below are some data about Xinjiang:
http://www.thechinaperspective.com/topics/province/xinjiang-province/
Area 1,660,000 km2
Population: 21,813,334
Population density: 12 people/km2
Gross domestic product: 543.7 RMB
GDP per capita: 25057 yuan RMB <—-
GDP growth: 10.60%
Fixed Asset Investment: 354 billion RMB
Utilized Foreign Direct Investment: 0.24 billion US$
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Compare this to Tajikistan which neighbors Xinjiang:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajikistan
GDP (PPP) 2010 estimate
– Per capita $2,190 (13,800 yuan at 6.3 yuan per dollar)
GDP (nominal) 2009 estimate
– Per capita $767 (4,800 yuan at 6.3 yuan per dollar)
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From the above comparison it is obvious that Uygurs are much better off than the neighboring Tajiks by 2 to 6 times. Therefore, it is simply not true that the Uygurs are being mistreated by the Han majority.
Dave
There’s a huge huge difference here, Mr.Liang1a! All the native Americans & the Mexican Americans here are now very happy & proud to be the Americans, the citizens of the most powerful, democratic nation in the world! While the Tibetans,the Xinjiang’s people & other chinese ethnics had to fight relentlessly for their life & their real equality in a dominant-Han society! In the case of Hawaii, it had to lobby real hard for its statehood in the Union in over two decades! Currently, Puerto Rico has also been trying hard to lobby the US congress for its official statehood in America! By contrast, Taiwan never wants to be part of the PRC! Especially,Tibet & Xinjiang have fought bravely for their own independence against a Han China for decades!Generally, these territories never want to be part of China in any sense!!
It’ll be real real hard and tremendously painful for China to perform its economic & political reforms for survival! So, the outlook is so bleak & uncertain!Just wait & see!!!
Liang1a
Dave wrote:
March 23, 2012 at 4:06 pm
There’s a huge huge difference here, Mr.Liang1a! All the native Americans & the Mexican Americans here are now very happy & proud to be the Americans, the citizens of the most powerful, democratic nation in the world!
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Liang’s response:
The native Americans and Mexican Americans are very happy to be american citizens? Really? The biggest story now in the US is the hate crime of an white racist gunning down a black kid and getting away with it until mass protests put pressure on the government to bring charges against this killer. So you think the Mexican Americans are so happy in America? Do you even know what the incomes of the Latinos in America are? They are 1/3 lower than the national average. Latinos get no respect from the whites. They are mostly farm workers, or janitors, or gardeners. They are routinely swept up by the immigration officiers and deported to Mexico. Even those who are citizens got deported to Mexico routinely. So much for your love.
Chinese economy is developing very fast. Once it has shifted to domestic development it will develop even faster. By 2040 Chinese people will earn 1/3 more incomes on a per capita basis than the Americans. Chinese minorities will get more respect in China than Latinos get in America. But that is your own funerals. You can stay where you are insulted and disparaged.
BB
Just dream on, mr. daydreamer! You’ll see an economic train-wreck in China soon!Just get ready for the worst! You still ‘talk big’ because currently you’re living in a western country not in your ‘titan with 2 feet of clay, China’!!
soon!
XIII
… When I see this picture, I guess that Chinese Navy’s got a few time to make progress … at least enough to avoid being worried
nirvana
I could not help remembering of some of Hitler’s speeches. Extracts below:
(Nuremberg, 14th Sept 1936)
“Russia planned a world revolution and German workmen would be used but as cannon-fodder for bolshevist imperialism. But we National Socialists do not wish that our military resources should be employed to impose by force on other peoples what those peoples themselves do not want…. “
(Dantzig, 19 Sept 1939, 2 weeks after invasion of Poland)
“Germany was a big power and had to look on, while a far inferior people, of a far inferior State maltreated these Germans. ….No Power on earth would have borne this condition as long as Germany. …If peoples go to pieces it will not be the German people, who are fighting for justice, who have no war aims and who were attacked. “
(Berlin, 16th March 1941)
“So we enter the year 1941, cool and determined to end what we started the year before. It is quite immaterial what part of the earth or in which sea or in what air space our German soldiers fight. They will know they battle for fate and freedom and the future of our people forever. But while we end this battle victoriously we thank our heroes of the past, for we are saving that for which they fell: Germany, our people, and its great German Empire.”
(Berlin, 4th May 1941)
“The enemy front was broken up in a few days and the stage was then set for the operation that culminated in the greatest battle of annihilation in the history of the world. Thus France collapsed, Belgium and Holland were already occupied, and the battered remnants of the British expeditionary force were driven from the European continent, leaving their arms behind. “
a_canadian_observer
@nirvana: The bad news is, these are familiar slogans from the country declaring itself as “peaceful rise”.
The good news, we all know how the country that made those slogans ended.
Liang1a
What’s the big deal about operating an aircraft carrier? China can do it easily. There is no problem with arresting cables. It is just some steel cable stretched across the deck to catch the hook of a landing plane. Thre is also no problems in landing aircrafts on the carrier deck. The Chinese pilots have been practising this operation on a simulated deck for years. As soon as the carrier is ready to take landing planes the operation will begin. Also the various procedures for taking off and landing must have been studied and put in place. They don’t need to wait for the carrier to be built to begin discussing how the planes can be landed. So the speculation that the carrier will be ready for deployment by Ausust this year is reasonable. Don’t judge China by the incompetence of the West. The West has been underestimating China by decades. So if the West thinks China will deploy Varyag in 5 years then you can be sure that China will deploy it in just 1 year.
ACT
@liang1a
as i understand it, the cables need to be made of some special kind of steel, the design and parts of which aren’t readily available. the hubbub over your nation’s carrier isn’t over that it has a carrier, but what it might do with it. the name Shi-Lang, as well as the historical connotations behind it aren’t terribly encouraging.
Liang1a
ACT wrote:
March 21, 2012 at 6:38 am
@liang1a
as i understand it, the cables need to be made of some special kind of steel, the design and parts of which aren’t readily available. the hubbub over your nation’s carrier isn’t over that it has a carrier, but what it might do with it. the name Shi-Lang, as well as the historical connotations behind it aren’t terribly encouraging.
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Liang’s response:
Of course the cables or pendant and the purchase cables are made of special steel. But that is not a problem. The idea is to make them so that they are strong but flexible and resistent to corrosion due to sea breezes. Also the arrestor cable or cross deck pendant is specially woven with oiled hemp to provide cushioning and lubrication. The idea of the whole arrestor system is to slow down the plane smoothly. This is done with a hydraulic shock absorber calibrated to the weight of the plane. None of this is terribly high tech. All that is necessay is to get the general idea and principle and then do some experiments to determine the best method of doing this. As I said most of this is just common sense applying high tech to a simple idea. For instance, 4 arrestor cables are used instead of just one. This is just common sense in case the hook missed the first calbe. Hopefully, with 4 cables available for the hook to catch at least one will be caught. And the cable is raised a couple of inches off the deck so that it is easier for the hook to catch it instead of sliding over it. Again this is just common sense.
As to how the carrier will be used, it is obviously more for morale boosting than for real military use at this point in time. China’s fighters can attack targets some 1,500 km away. China’s DF-21D and advanced cruise missiles can attack ships and land targets some 2,000 km or more away. So it is not really necessary for China to deploy carriers to defend China’s coasts or islands in E. and S. China Seas. But if China want to attack Guam or Australia then it will need carriers. I think the current priority of the Chinese government is to deploy more DF-21D and various cruise missiles to deny access to potential aggressors. But beyond 5 years China will increasingly deploy more carriers and other blue water ships to protect China’s freedom of navigation beyond the 2,000 km. Also China needs a big carrier force to protect its allies and sources of raw materials such as Syria and Iran which at this point in time China cannot do. But with 30 supercarriers by 2030 China could deploy some 1,500 advanced fighters at one time and protect any country outside of Europe and N. America. But you don’t need to judge China by your own low standards. China will not be conquering America or anybody else unless you provoked it. Then it is a different story.
Reason
A fleet of Chinese carriers protecting the likes of Iran or Syria – now there’s a bright future to work towards!
ACT
@liang1a
i’m not worried about the United States, Liang1a. What i’m worried about are all the nations in between China and the United States, such as Vietnam, the two Koreas, Thailand, Burma, Cambodia, Mongolia, Japan, Singapore, Vietnam and the Philippines, all of which have suffered under Chinese or Chinese backed aggression at some point in their history, and whose territory China seems to think it has some sort of divine right to.
Which leads me to my next question: what possible reason could the CCP have to attack Australia or Guam?
Dave
I love your jokes very much,Liang1a! They’re so interesting! You must be the most talented joke teller in the whole world!BTW, there have been some rumors floating around that China will build soon a dozen of nuclear aircraft carriers to sail around the East& South china seas to scare away the pirates ! Already, there were some whispers that you’d be the commander of that carrier fleet?! Hat off & Congratulations!
Liang1a
Dave wrote:
March 21, 2012 at 6:44 am
I love your jokes very much,Liang1a! They’re so interesting! You must be the most talented joke teller in the whole world!BTW, there have been some rumors floating around that China will build soon a dozen of nuclear aircraft carriers to sail around the East& South china seas to scare away the pirates ! Already, there were some whispers that you’d be the commander of that carrier fleet?! Hat off & Congratulations!
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Liang’s response:
As I’ve always said, smart people understand while the stupid people mock (for lack of understanding). Laugh all you want but we’ll see who has the last laugh. Will China deploy 12 nuclear carriers? I don’t know. The priority should be as follows:
1. 6,000 nuclear warheads on ICBM, nuclear subs, medium range BM and cruise missiles, strategic bombers, stealth fighter/bombers, etc. as soon as possible (no later than 2020).
2. 1,000 DF-21D and other missiles that can sink big ships at thousands of km. as soon as possible (no later than 2020).
3. 3,000 4th generation fighters and 500 5th generation fighters by 2020.
4. 50 nuclear attack subs by 2020 and 100 by 2030.
5. 10 carrier groups by 2020 and 30 by 2030.
With the deployment of these systems China will be strong enough. China can deploy these because its economy in PPP terms had already exceeded American economy at the end of 2011. By 2020 China’s economy will double that of American economy. By 2030 China’s economy will be some 4 times bigger than the American economy. And thesefore it can easily deploy 4 times the weapon systems of America. Specifically, for each 50 nuclear attack subs America deploys China can deploy some 200 by 2030. As I said China needs to deploy only 100 by 2030 so that is easy for China to do.
Obviously, it is absurd for China to sail its carriers in the S. China Sea since this region is well within the combat radii of China’s fighters such as J-10, J-11, J-16, J-18, J-20, etc. The initial deployment to the S. China Sea will be mostly for training. But when China has deployed 5 to 10 carriers by 2020, then they can be used to patrol Indian Ocean to the east coast of Africa as well as to patrol the west side of the Pacific. We’ll see who is laughing then.
Reason
Dear Santa Claus,
Please can China have a twillion bombers, one squillion missiles, fwee billion ships and some bombs for Christmas
Love
Liang1
ps.. we’re not going to use them… just look at them and maybe polish them or draw scary faces on the front
Honest……..
papa john
LOL. Please ship those plastic toys on time for Xmas and make sure they won’t be lead contaminated. Thanks Liang1a!
BB
You should be a bit more realistic,Liang1a! The painful stark reality is China being fatefully a very populous & poor-resource country! Over a billion Chinese people presently are still living in abject poverty with earnings of just 2 or 3 dollars per day for the whole family! Climate is severe there, with shortage of arable land (to feed its huge population of 1.3 plus billions) & also with few natural resources for its industrialization! Surrounded by all hostile powers (Russia, India, Japan)& hostile countries like Vietnam, SKorea, etc. & especially its current internal instability due to its repressive authoritarian regime plus constantly simmering& seething ethnic conflicts, the cost to maintain china’s security & internal stability is so huge that its ability to project its power afield is quite limited! The CCP dares not to starve its people like NKorea to build too much ‘war toys’ like you’ve said!! Just wake up and smell the coffee!No more daydreaming, please!
Liang1a
BB wrote:
Surrounded by all hostile powers (Russia, India, Japan)& hostile countries like Vietnam, SKorea, etc. & especially its current internal instability due to its repressive authoritarian regime plus constantly simmering& seething ethnic conflicts, the cost to maintain china’s security & internal stability is so huge that its ability to project its power afield is quite limited! The CCP dares not to starve its people like NKorea to build too much ‘war toys’ like you’ve said!! Just wake up and smell the coffee!No more daydreaming, please!
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Liang’s response:
You people have no understanding at all about the true reality. Russia is not currently hostile to China. In fact, Russia looks to China to balance EU and America. Not to mention that it needs China’s economy to keep Russia afloat. And all the rest of them combined will not even amount to 1/4 of China’s power when it attains to its full development. Japan, India, Vietnam, Philippines, S. Korea are all midgets compared to China’s giant. China can eat them for breakfast and still go hungry. While the US is spending 4% to 6% of its GDP for military, China is now only using some 1.3% of its GDP. China can easily increase its military spending 3 times and still not strain its economy. And with its economy growing at 7.5% or more per year for the next 5 years and then back up to 10% or more for the subsequent 25 years, China can simply roll over on all its hostile neighbors. China’s full GDP will be some $100 trillion by 2040 while Japan’s will be some $4 trillion. And India’s will be less than $10 trillion at miraculously best with the rest of Asia combined totalling another $4 trillion. Do you think these midgets stand a chance against China’s juggernaut? Not a chance.
As to mineral resources, you are also totally ignorant. China is the biggest producer of some 60% of all minerals in the world, and among the top 10 for some 90% of all minerals in the world. China is the biggest producer of gold and 3rd biggest of silver, the biggest producer of rare earth elements and 60% of all minerals from aluminum to lead to tin to zinc ….
BB
@Liang1a,
Self-delusion & cockiness are not any good for China, mr. daydreamer!
China is in many ways an over-populated & resource-poor country, currently scrambling for oil, iron ores , other raw materials & food ect. around the world
( Africa, Middle East, Australia, south America etc.)for its own economic development & feeding its people!
Aging population, resource deficiency, environmental pollution & economic stagnation will bring China down for sure!
ACT
@liang1a
the insulting and derogatory comments of the others aside,
what you have set forth as goals is not only unattainable, but is clearly not meant to be used for self-defense; 6k nuclear warheads? 30 carrier groups by 2030? that’s not a defense force, that’s a multi-front invasion force designed to take the world by storm. Even the United States has no need for that many carrier groups, nor would it be able to sustain them. And for your information, no, the PRC has not exceeded the PPP of the United States; the current PPP (Purchasing Power Parity) of the PRC stands at roughly 8.4k dollars, while the same statistics for the United States are currently at 48.4k dollars. At this time, the Dollar trades at roughly 6 Yuan (Renminbi) to the US Dollar. If you wanted that to change, the PRC would have to increase the value of its currency six times over, at which point it WOULD have an economy three times the size of that of the United States….if you didn’t account for the fact that such an increase would have international corporations fleeing from China like rats out of a sinking ship, ruining China’s largely export based economy. By that time, other nations would simply buy from their own industries because it would be cheaper.
Liang1a
ACT wrote:
March 21, 2012 at 7:08 pm
@liang1a
the insulting and derogatory comments of the others aside,
what you have set forth as goals is not only unattainable, but is clearly not meant to be used for self-defense; 6k nuclear warheads? 30 carrier groups by 2030? that’s not a defense force, that’s a multi-front invasion force designed to take the world by storm. Even the United States has no need for that many carrier groups, nor would it be able to sustain them. And for your information, no, the PRC has not exceeded the PPP of the United States; the current PPP (Purchasing Power Parity) of the PRC stands at roughly 8.4k dollars, while the same statistics for the United States are currently at 48.4k dollars. At this time, the Dollar trades at roughly 6 Yuan (Renminbi) to the US Dollar. If you wanted that to change, the PRC would have to increase the value of its currency six times over, at which point it WOULD have an economy three times the size of that of the United States….if you didn’t account for the fact that such an increase would have international corporations fleeing from China like rats out of a sinking ship, ruining China’s largely export based economy. By that time, other nations would simply buy from their own industries because it would be cheaper.
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Liang’s response:
The nominal exchange rate is 6.3 yuan per dollar now. But the PPP rate is closer to 3 yuan per dollar. Some would argue that it is even lower than that to 2 yuan per dollar or even parity of 1 yuan per dollar. Chinese making 30,000 yuan is consider middle class and is living quite well by being able to own a house and have enough to live on besides. Of course, Chinese people still needs to increase their productivity and incomes by some 8 times. But this should be easily attainable if the emphasis is shifted from exports to domestic development based on indigenous techologies and the urbanization of the farmers. So by 2040 Chinese people should be able to do a per capita GDP of some 200,000 yuan and achieve a total GDP of 300 trillion yuan on a population of 1.5 billion. At 3 yuan per dollar this would be $100 trillion (2010 PPP).
China’s GDP has exceeded American GDP in 2011 as I explained by $15.7 trillion to America’s $15 trillion. China’s GDP in terms of yuan was 47.2 trillion yuan and at 3 yuan per dollar is $15.7 trillion. You keep basing the exchange rate on 6 yuan per dollar. But the nominal rate is unreliable. If China did not raise the value of the yuan since 2005 and its exchange rate is still 8.27 yuan per dollar then the same 47.2 trillion yuan would be only $5.7 trillion while at 6.3 yuan per dollar it is $7.5 trillion. So these figures are not reliable. The only reliable figure is the PPP rate as you yourself had used.
It is nonsense to say that the exchange rate has to change to increase the value of the Chinese income. The way to increase Chinese incomes is to increase their productivity. If the Chinese are as productive as the Americans by using the same higher level of technologies as the Americans then their incomes will be as high as the Americans. But Chinese incomes will exceed American incomes because 1/3 of the American people are minorities and under-perform the American national average by some 1/3 of per capita GDP while Chinese-Americans over-perform the American national average by 1/3. Therefore, the Chinese in China can exceed America on a per capita basis by 1/3 and exceed America’s total GDP by some 5 to 7 times depending on the relative population. But if Ameria’s black and Latino population rises to 1/2 of the total American population and they under-perform the whites and Chinese-Americans then China’s per capita GDP will exceed American per capita GDP even more. If this make you feel concerned, you should be. I’m not exaggerating things. It is you who are living in denial. To see what China can achieve just look at Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore. Also realize that China has been the most advanced country in the world for all human history until the last 200 years. Think about it!
ACT
@liang1a
you’ll probably be delighted to know that i can’t mount a terribly effective argument in terms of economics; i’d call up oro invictus for that one, if i actually knew him.
Regardless, that ppp that you so oft quote as a measure of the PRC’s rising might still depends on the fact that millions of your countrymen are working for next to no pay and are thus not a good source of revenue; to increase its own PPP and GDP, the PRC would have to increase the value of its currency, and thus, the amount of taxable pay for its citizens as a whole. There is also the question of research; while the PRC may have the highest output in terms of patents and research, much of it is plagiarized or, worse, completely bogus. This is to say nothing of the rampant corruption within academic circles. this has the compounding effect of hampering many of the technological advancements that the PRC could use to catch up to its peer, the United States. as a last point, China’s economy in general, regardless of PPP, relies on the fact that it trades heavily with both the EU member nations and the United States; it needs them to buy its products because the majority of its own citizens cannot afford them in the bulk needed to keep the Chinese economy afloat. if anything were to happen with regards to international relations, warfare or the like, the economies of much of the world would be ruined regardless of ppp due to this over-reliance on trade.
which moves me on to my next question. You say that I, along with my fellow Americans, should be rightly concerned about the rise of the PRC’s purchasing power parity, as well as the growth of its GDP by relation. Yet you have said at previous times that the PRC has nothing but peaceful intentions for its neighbors and the world in general.
This difference, as stated above, is what concerns me, a kind of carrot-and-stick schizophrenia with regards to national purpose. what i read from this, and what is plain to me, is that you–and others like you–see the nations of the world as having usurped China’s rightful and holy place in the sun and as the center of the human universe. You essentially argue that America, and the other nations that have come before it, are as children abusing their mother, from whom they have received all the ideas that have made them successful in their adolescence and manhood. You argue, in effect, that they are deserving of nothing less than being baited by the carrot of diplomacy and peace and then–when she has finally recovered from her brief weakness–punished with whip and rod for the sheer GALL of even THINKING to insult and belittle that upon which their own progress has relied upon.
let me make this clear, Liang1a, we do not fear your economy. we do not fear your military. what we fear is this schizophrenia of national purpose that you are so very representative of; we have seen multiple times throughout history what promises of peace from those who seek power on the international stage truly mean, the worst example being no less than three generations ago, when the armies of Nazi Germany stormed out of their borders, promising peace but intending nothing less than genocide for their beliefs in Aryan superiority and lebensraum.
The worst part is, Liang1a, that you are just like the people of Germany; like them, you have been led to believe that the Han people are inherently superior to every race on the planet. Like them, you have been led to believe, via inborn xenophobia, that the international community is the source of all your country’s political and social demons, just as the Nazis exploited old and deep-rooted fears of Jews to justify their rise to power; just as the “Jews” were responsible for the burning of the German Bundestag, so to was the “international community” responsible for the June 4th Incident of 1989. And, just like the German people, you have been led to believe that it is the sacred mission of their nation to unify all people of Chinese descent throughout the PRC’s “island chains”; Taiwan is your Rhineland or Austria, and you have been fed the lie that much of the people there want reunification, when nothing can be fed from the truth. Like a good little zealot, a model citizen truly, you have lapped up their lies like a cat going after spilled milk. So, when the PRC uses its South China Sea incursions as a excuse for war, for that is the true purpose of the disputes, you will be with rest of the CPC’s indoctrinated masses in the streets, calling for Filipino or Vietnamese or South Korean blood in turn for the blood of Chinese sailors they “spilled” in righteous and justifiable acts of self-defense. Finally, five years later, when you wake up to witness the surrender of the Beijing government for its war crimes and atrocities, you will wonder, just as the people of Germany did, why you didn’t listen to those few voices who had the clarity of thought to see what was truly going on.
Liang1a
ACT wrote:
March 22, 2012 at 7:01 pm
@liang1a
which moves me on to my next question. You say that I, along with my fellow Americans, should be rightly concerned about the rise of the PRC’s purchasing power parity, as well as the growth of its GDP by relation. Yet you have said at previous times that the PRC has nothing but peaceful intentions for its neighbors and the world in general.
This difference, as stated above, is what concerns me, a kind of carrot-and-stick schizophrenia with regards to national purpose. what i read from this, and what is plain to me, is that you–and others like you–see the nations of the world as having usurped China’s rightful and holy place in the sun and as the center of the human universe. You essentially argue that America, and the other nations that have come before it, are as children abusing their mother, from whom they have received all the ideas that have made them successful in their adolescence and manhood. You argue, in effect, that they are deserving of nothing less than being baited by the carrot of diplomacy and peace and then–when she has finally recovered from her brief weakness–punished with whip and rod for the sheer GALL of even THINKING to insult and belittle that upon which their own progress has relied upon.
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Liang’s response:
ACT, I do not speak for the Chinese people or even the Chinese government. As for my own sentiment, I have no wish to harm anybody. But it is a fact that China has been attacked for some 200 years. It still being encircled today by a ring of American bases. I am not worried by this because I know China has the ability to sweep these away when it grow to its full potential. Therefore, America and all countries in the world does not need to fear China. But those who would harm China obviously needs to be deeply concerned. If you are one of those who are occupying Chinese territories then you better be prepared to be hit hard and soon. But for those who only want to live in peace with China they can look with optimism for a much better world with China’s rise.
I don’t see the Chinese as being superior genetically. But I do think the Chinese are as good as anybody else. I do believe the Chinese are harder working and have higher respect for scholarship. Therefore, I have every confidence that China will rise to its full potential unless suppressed by its own government or betrayed by traitors who sold out to foreigners such as the luo3 guan1 or unencumbered officials whose families have already settled in foreign countries. Obviously, the CCP government has done a very poor job developing China over the last 60 plus years. I applaud Mao’s nationalism but he ruined China’s economy and slowed down China’s technological advancement by closing the universities. Now the Dengist clique has corrupted the Chinese government and degraded the Chinese people turning many into reverse racists who kowtow to every kind of foreigners. However, there are still many honorable and intelligent Chinese who are pushing to shift China’s economy and politics away from the emasculating exports to developing the internal economy based on indigenous technlogical advancement and the urbanization of the farmers while making China energy self-sufficient. You are right in that China cannot rely on exports to foreign countries. Obviously China cannot develop a $100 trillion economy by catering to the consumers of developed countries whose economies have gone down the toilet and can never be expected to import more than what they current import.
China has no plan to punish anybody other than those who had inflicted barbarous atrocities on China; and those who still harbor dreams of invading China. All the evil you attributed to China are only what you see in your own mirror. China will become very rich and powerful not because the Chinese are genetically superior but because individually they are harder working than foreigners and there are 1.5 billion Chinese which together can produce a bigger economy than all the economies in the rest of the world combined.
ariel
It will be deployed within a year and sink in six months. Can Chinese products be trusted? Rather buy things made in Bangladesh or Tonga than rely on Chinese.
Liang
ariel wrote:
March 21, 2012 at 7:13 am
It will be deployed within a year and sink in six months. Can Chinese products be trusted? Rather buy things made in Bangladesh or Tonga than rely on Chinese.
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Liang’s response:
It will be deployed this year. Then we’ll see what we’ll see.
Can Chinese products be trusted? The fact is most of the products on American stores are made in China. I think most Americans want Chinese products, trust or not. But I’ve always said that China should phase out its exports to developed countries and instead export high tech products of its own IPR in exchange for raw materials. Specifically, this means China should stop exporting to Japan, America, EU, etc. Then let them buy things from Bangladesh or Tonga. You will quickly find that there just aren’t that many things you can buy from Bangladesh or Tonga or any other developing countries. But that is your funeral.
Dave
Correction!”The fact is most of the products on American stores are ASSEMBLED in China” with 90% of their parts imported from the US, Japan, SKorea, EU, ect.!China has just been a huge PROCESSING factory for the whole world!That’s the real fact not fiction!
Liang1a
Dave wrote:
March 21, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Correction!”The fact is most of the products on American stores are ASSEMBLED in China” with 90% of their parts imported from the US, Japan, SKorea, EU, ect.!China has just been a huge PROCESSING factory for the whole world!That’s the real fact not fiction!
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Liang’s response:
60% of China’s exports are processed goods whose parts are imported. That still leaves 40% of China’s own products. The assembly of imported parts still require an extensive infrastructure such as seaports and airports, roads and railroads, telecommunications, transportations, water and electricity, labor force with high work ethnics, lenient government policies, stable governments, etc. Good luck to you to find these in places like Bangladesh and Tonga or Vietnam or Philippines, etc. But as I said, exports is a dead end street for China. Chinese workers cannot get rich because cheap exports means cheap labor which means low wages for the Chinese workers. Therefore, phasing out exports, especially in the processing trade which is just selling China’s labor, resources and infrastructure cheaply, is the first essential step to making China able to bridge the “middle class trap”. You arrogantly think China must keep exporting cheap assembled products to maintain its economy. You are right to think that China must keep exporting to maintain its CURRENT EXPORT DEPENDENT MODE OF ECONOMY. But China must phase out its current mode of export dependent mode of economy and shift it to one that depends on domestic development. When that shift takes effect then China will phase out exports of processed goods and grow much faster and sustainably. And when China phased out exports, you people will lose your cheap Chinese imports and your cost of living will soar. Then you will beg China to export more cheap goods to you. But China will never again waste its time and effort feeding you people for free.
Dave
Easier said than done, Mr.Liang1a! Hope China can reform its economy in 30 years!
Best of luck!
China reform may require a deeper crisis
By John Foley–March 20, 2012
By John Foley
The author is a Reuters Breakingviews columnist. The opinions expressed are his own.
“Reform” might turn out to be this year’s most overused word in China. The country’s outgoing premier Wen Jiabao, and his likely successor Li Keqiang, have both recently spoken of the urgent need to change. Even Communist Party mouthpiece People’s Daily advised last month that it’s better to have imperfect reforms than a crisis caused by none at all. The trouble is that China lacks external creditors or voters to hold leaders to account and make these reforms a reality.
In China, reform can mean almost anything. It includes the giant – like privatising the big state-owned enterprises – and the small, like raising gas prices, which China did with ease on March 19. Some reforms might sweep away anachronisms like the “hukou” ID system that splits citizens into urban and rural, and impedes a free labour market. Others seem trivial: Wang Yang, an ambitious politician from the provinces, has reportedly suggested axing unnecessary applause for officials at meetings.
The reforms that count would make capital flow more efficiently. But these could create powerful losers. If interest rates were liberalised so that banks were free to offer high deposit rates, savers would be more likely to keep their money in the bank than speculate on property. But it would erode the guaranteed profit lenders make under today’s capped interest rate system. Similarly, separating management and state ownership of companies would make steel, auto and construction companies more efficient, but would also make a job in politics less lucrative, and one in industry less powerful.
Short of a crisis that threatens the Party’s survival, it’s hard to see what will drive such big changes. Unlike Russia, Spain, Greece or France, the People’s Republic doesn’t have to keep foreign creditors happy, or appeal to a traditional electorate. It may take a greater turmoil for meaningful reform to become anything other than talk.
(Reuter)
Ariel
@Liang
I hope China stops exports to all the developed countries. Firstly, let us see how China survives without markets in developed countries. Secondly, it is better to buy products from Bangladesh, etc rather than buy toxic products from China. China should stick to manufacturing “Hero” and “Wing Sung” pens.
Liang1a
Ariel wrote:
March 25, 2012 at 4:25 am
@Liang
I hope China stops exports to all the developed countries. Firstly, let us see how China survives without markets in developed countries. Secondly, it is better to buy products from Bangladesh, etc rather than buy toxic products from China. China should stick to manufacturing “Hero” and “Wing Sung” pens.
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Liang’s response:
How does exporting anything to developed countries affect China’s survival? Nobody has ever given a clear answer to that question. Everybody simply assumed that China will collapse if it didn’t export to the developed countries. But suppose China stopped exporting to the developed countries. Will the Chinese people starve? Obviously not because China is self-sufficient in food. Will China go without clothing? Obviously not because China can produce all the clothes its people need. In fact, it is the developed countries that will go withou clothing if China stopped exporting all the cheap clothese to them. Will China go dark for lack of energy? Again no because China has all the coal it needs for hundreds of years. China also has vast reserves of oil. The S. China Sea alone could supply enough oil to keep China energy self-sufficient for decades. Furthermore, China must ultimately be energy self-sufficient in terms of wind and solar and nuclear power. So energy is no problem for China and China does not need to export to developed countries to get enough oil or gas. Furthermore, producers of oil such as Russia, Iran, Nigeria, etc. will be happy to take Chinese yuan in exchange for their oil. Will China be lacking in raw materials of any kind if it didn’t export to developed countries? Again no. China is the biggest producer of some 60% of all minerals in the world. It is among the top 10 producers of 90% of all minerals in the world. China has more than 200 billion tons of iron ore. Most of China is still unexplored in terms of minerals. There are still vast quantities of minerals to be discovered in China. And the developing countries are all too happy to sell to China whatever it needs for yuan. So tell me, why is it necessary for China to export to the developed countries? There is simply no rational reason why China should keep exporting anything to the developed countries because China does not need anything from them. The only reason why China is exporting to developed countries is because the corrupt Chinese officials and greedy compradors need foreign currencies such as dollars, euroes, and yen so that they can abscond from China with bribes and ill gotten gains. China as a nation does not need these foreign currencies. Chinese people as a whole don’t need foreign currencies. The only reason why the Chinese people think they need to keep exporting is because they have been brainwashed into thinking that China needs to do foreign trade for some unknown reason they never understood or because everybody in the world wants to export more. China can provide just as many jobs if it simply expanded its military by some 6% of GDP. It would not be more harmful than the current wasteful exports that squander huge amounts of Chinese energy and resources. While a large and powerful military can provide the critical service of keeping China safe and secure, exports simply squander unjustifiably large amounts of energy and resources and labor and return nothing but worthless dollars, euroes and yen which only result in the poverty of the Chinese people and the pollution of Chinese environment. CHINA DOES NOT NEED TO EXPORT TO THE DEVELOPED COUNTRIES!!!!!!!!! China only needs to develop its own domestic economy to provide indigenously produced goods and services for the consumption of the Chinese people.