“Pivot” has never been the best word for the Obama administration’s approach to the Pacific. Neither has “rebalancing.” Both terms imply a new state of affairs.
There’s nothing new, however, about the United States’ predominant role in guaranteeing peace and security in the Pacific. It has long been the region’s indispensible power. What the administration is doing is finding new ways to demonstrate America’s continuing commitment to this role.
Notwithstanding the value of the measures it has taken to date, such as new Marine rotations through Australia and littoral combat ships rotating through Singapore, nothing will speak louder to the U.S. commitment than honoring its treaty obligations to the Philippines in the current stand-off with China around Scarborough Shoal.
No one is talking about war in the South China Sea. Indeed, drawing a red line around the Philippines will make armed conflict less likely, not more so. Chinese leaders aren’t irrational. They aren’t likely to miscalculate if they believe the immediate relevance of the U.S. treaty commitment. And although the U.S. doesn’t have a stake in the territorial dispute per se, its treaty is, indeed, highly relevant to the current impasse.
The U.S.–Philippines Mutual Defense Treaty (MDT) “recognizes that an armed attack in the Pacific Area on either of the Parties would be dangerous to its own peace and safety and declares that it would act to meet the common dangers in accordance with its constitutional processes.” It envisions three contingencies:
– An attack on the territory of the Philippines (or the U.S.);
– An attack on the “island territories under its (the Philippines or the U.S.) jurisdiction in the Pacific”; or
– An attack on either party’s “armed forces, public vessels or aircraft in the Pacific.”
The implications of the first are obvious; it’s not in any way in play in the current conflict. The implications of the second have also been made clear by the United States; it doesn’t consider Filipino claims beyond its recognized borders subject to the treaty. (In fact, over the years, the U.S. has perhaps been too clear, and ultimately, misleading, on this score, as it is difficult to imagine the U.S. remaining neutral in the face of an armed attack on one of the Spratly islands under the effective administration of the Philippines.)
In the current stand-off at Scarborough, there’s no question but that the third part of this equation is very much in play.
In 1979, U.S. Secretary of State Cyrus Vance confirmed in an official letter to Philippine Foreign Secretary Carlos P. Romulo that the MDT covers an “attack on Philippines armed forces, public vessels or aircraft” even if such attack does not occur in the “metropolitan territory of the Philippines or island territories under its jurisdiction,” thus separating the issue of territorial sovereignty from attack on Philippine military and public vessels.
U.S. Ambassador Thomas Hubbard reaffirmed these assurances in 1999 during deliberations over the U.S.-Philippines Visiting Forces Agreement. He also stated unequivocally that “the U.S. considers the South China Sea to be part of the Pacific Area.”
These excerpts from official correspondence were released by the Philippines Department of Foreign Affairs in early May of this year. The U.S. hasn’t disputed their accuracy.
What the statements mean in the current context is that if any Philippine “public vessel” deployed around Scarborough Shoal comes under Chinese fire, such an act will result in the treaty being invoked. This doesn’t mean automatic armed response, but by invoking it, the United States formally recognizes the attack as “dangerous to its own peace and safety and declares that it (will) act to meet the common dangers.” The attack triggers formal bilateral consultations under the treaty to determine an appropriate course of action. (There’s nothing uniquely tentative about the U.S.-Philippines MDT in this regard. All of the United States’ security treaties in the region contain similar diplomatic nuance and consultation mechanisms.)
Formally invoking the treaty would require a response that could range from diplomatic censure to armed defense of Philippine vessels. The decision over what specific response to choose would be a political one and dependent on the circumstances of the conflict. Declaring Chinese activity in the South China Sea “dangerous to peace and security,” however, would have powerful effects in and of itself. With such a declaration on the table, it’s difficult to imagine life as usual in the U.S.-China relationship.
The Chinese are testing the mettle of the U.S.-Philippines treaty relationship. How the administration handles the challenge has implications throughout the region, in the capitals of other treaty allies, like Japan and Korea; in Taiwan, where the U.S. has special security responsibilities; and in places like India, where its credibility is already suffering from the premature pull-out from Afghanistan.
In brief, if the administration doesn’t stand by its ally in the South China Sea, all the “pivoting” in the world won’t make up for the blow to U.S. credibility.
Walter Lohman is Director of Asian Studies at the Heritage Foundation. He is the author, most recently, of The Heritage Foundation issue brief, “Scarborough Shoal and Safeguarding American Interests,” from which this article is adapted.
Imran Abubakar
Americans are friends!THEY ARE G.I. JOE. we give them oil… they will protect us… USA is in trouble because of their economy… I think they nee a little help from one of their ALLIES the Philippines… I am in favor of sharing 50/50 oil deposits to the AMERICAN PEOPLE… GOD BLESS AMERICA… GOD BLESS THE PHILIPPINES
-U.S.A please remember the sacrifices we made in the past, the forgiveness we shared to the world. may our friendship and love lasts forever.
~~~~END OF TRANSMISSION~~~~~
Vic
Yes, yes. China should also pledge to give 50/50 to the American people for any oil they find in the South China Seas. The alternative is massive regime change plot like the ones in Middle East. Cheaper for China to kowtow to America now, otherwise fighting will be expensive.
filipino defender
agian troll evidence? you people are just lairs!
Isaac Joshua
This must be solve through diplomatic means no way and other for all countries can’t risk war.
comet
the situation is different here although China did not attack directly Philippines but the way the China hold the dispute problems in SCS become a big issue. Why? When the insident happened Philippines imidiately held a diplomatic talks with China to prevent furthermore worsening the situation and even proposed to China to bring to ITLOS to resolve this matter but China rejected the proposal China continue assert its claim to SCS and sent more vessels not only for fishing but as well as for military. US may think this issue becomes more threateting in peace and order in asian region and also as well as in whole world. Why US will wait the issue become aggravated and may end up war(I hope it will never happen) if they can resolve this matter efficiently.
John Chan
When the Brits and the French had Mutual Defense Treaty with Poland, they meant what they said, they put themselves as well as the whole world into war when the Nazi Germany attacked Poland. I can’t believe that the USA is backing out to honour the US-Philippines MDT, the author said that if Philippines is attacked, although the attack invokes the treaty but it doesn’t mean automatic armed response, all the USA would do is to file a strong protest of “dangerous to peace and security.” What is it, only talk and no action?
It is wrong for the author to say that “The Chinese are testing the mettle of the U.S.-Philippines treaty relationship.” In fact the USA is probing the limit of China’s peaceful rise. I believe the USA will succeed in finding out the limit of China’s tolerance, but what is the USA’s limit when China starts to counter probing? Losing a fleet of Japanese navy, a carrier battle group, Guam or Hawaii?
nirvana
@John Chan,
Nice historical parallel.
Hitler too was talking “peaceful rise” and justice reparation for the Germans. He too organized a very succesful Olympic Games to show how peaceful the youths he was traing were. He too talked about race superiority.
Which country is German Nazi, which country is Poland today?
Vic
There is no historic parallel here. One may like to have one, but that is strictly for the imagination, not with reality.
In would be silly for China and US to go into war over a shoal claimed by Manila. It is too insignificant in the scheme of things.
China will only “react” to gross American intrusion. If America wants to simply show how powerful it is, then the most worst case will be a simple “duel” of the two powers in the high seas.
The world financial capital markets will slump, and if the US navy does not perform convincingly, then its prestige will sink enormously. China has the logistic advantage, and all it has to do is to fight to a draw and the world would see it as a victory for China; it will see the world number superpower cannot beat the next contender.
comet
I agree to you Hitler said it the Germany was on peaceful rise but what he did he take one by one countries nearby force resulting many deaths. Today I believe it became historic parallel for China they say it is “peaceful rise” if they threatening fishermen and marine coast guards of filipinos even their is diplomatic talks happening in both countries I think this very sly in pure terms. I heard that there is a fisherman trying to fish but the chinese vessel block them and they move around many times or they bump harshly on fishing boat so these fishermen just move away so scared with nothing a single fish going back thier home to sell and buy for their food to eat, this is so sad it happened when there is ongoing diplomatic talks.
comet
Addendum
I think US does not want supremacy or “leader of the pact” they will go here because of growing concerns among ASEAN countries because of aggression and taking advantage of weakness of these small nations like Philippines without recognizing any laws(international or national) or diplomatic talks they just want to enforce what they believe its true then it will force it as a law.
comet
Clarification
China is becomes agressive and opprtunistic in handling disputes that is why becomes growing concerns for ASEANS. For me China does not recognizing laws or diplomatic talks because I think they are one-sided or unilateral in terms belifes and opinions of others. US here are concern about what is happening and they are vowed to maintain peace and order not throwing fight, disputes, and even wars irresponsibly. They will think thrice because the sake of greater good for greater people are at stake.
John Chan
@nirvana,
You are defending and glorifying the world-notorious evil, psychopath and murderer, are you related to Nazi or are you a neo-Nazi just like those thugs in the Outer Mongolia?
Hitler never talked about peace; he was all about the White super race and supremacy. You are fabricating history beyond reason; no wonder the Philippines can claim China’s land shamelessly. It is just too bad for the Philippines is acting like Fascist Italy, but it over estimated the reliability of its backer.
nirvana
@John Chan,
Perhaps you should use the special freedom your are given, compared to compatriot in mainland China, to look up a bit into history. Here is what Hitler said in a speech recorded at the Reichstag, 30 January 1937:
“Germany has steadily given its assurance, and I solemnly repeat this assurance here, that between ourselves and France, for example, there are no grounds for quarrel that are humanly thinkable. Furthermore, the German Government has assured Belgium and Holland that it is ready to recognize and guarantee these States as neutral regions in perpetuity.”
We all know now that he was actively preparing for war. Sound familiar isn’t it? Yes “peaceful rise”.
John Chan
@nirvana,
There is neither a single word of “peace” nor a scent of peace in that passage. You sure have a unique way to interpret English, perhaps it is Filipino way that is beginning to emerge after much cooperation with Vietnam, a new way to interpret world history, right and wrong, shameless and honesty, …
Using a single passage to white wash that psychopath’s murderous and evil reputation surely is an innovative approach, perhaps you should try you talent on Hedeki Tojo, then Japanese will double the number of warships they are going to give Philippines, so that Philippines can start shooting at the unarmed Chinese fishermen and civilian law enforcers.
Cyrus
Did you forget Chamberlain say “Guaranteed peace on our time”
Vic
Political leaders will say anything to pacify, cajole, ignite the sentiments of people. That is their profession. Anyone can interpret history in his own version. At the end of the day, the people suffer. The vast majority of people just want peaceful lives.
But one thing stands out in our modern era. America has been at war almost continuously since World War II. The global situation got worse after the collapse of the USSR, leaving the USA to act without a counter-weight to restrain.
In America’s view, an offence is the best form of defense. Hence, the USA wants to pivot to Asia, and targets the South China Sea. USA wants to take on a near-peer competitor, before it gets too big to challenger her elsewhere. Asian countries, beware of the Viking from faraway.
ACT
@Vic
a terribly concise summary of what the United States has done over the last 60-odd-years, but yes, you are correct in this case. in order to guarantee the safety of its people against perceived enemies and plagued by the shadow of Pearl Harbor, The United States does use a strategy of preemptive action in order to eliminate potential threats before they become “threat that just wiped Los Angeles off the map”. That was precisely why the United States saw fit to do what it did in Iran, Guatemala, etc, etc….the list goes on. of the two wars going on currently, only the one in Afghanistan is justified; We were attacked by a terrorist entity bent on our elimination from the earth for acts that were not committed by the greater mass of Americans, regardless of the justifiability of the post-war sanctions on Iraq in the wake of the 1991 Gulf War which saw tens of thousands dead due to starvation and the military “occupation” of Saudi Arabia–both of which were reasons cited by Usama bin Laden for his unmitigated slaughter of innocents on September 11th, 2001.
Remember that the news media purposefully shows the current hegemon in acts of barbarity because that’s what gets the ratings. it’s a sad truth that people pay more attention to the misery of others, best perpetrated by what is cast as “the local or foreign bully”. Schadenfreude at its worst. Know that for every isolated incident we see of soldiers belonging to the United States doing something terribly stupid, there are dozens, if not hundreds, more men and women who serve honorably and make the best attempt to provide locals in Afghanistan with access to clean water, fresh food and what we would consider to be a “good education”, politically incorrect as that may be, and being shot at all the while. This was also the case in the Vietnam War, where the media deliberately falsified information at times or deliberately skewed it to make a case against the war. Vietnam did not defeat the US so much as the US defeated itself through its news media.
Also, Vic, remember that it is important to view what went on during the Cold War through the eyes and views of the men who made such decisions, no matter how horrific we may consider those actions to be today. the contemporary politicians of the United States, as well as the men who carried out those actions as ordered, truly considered the soviet union and its international influence to be an existential threat to the very existence of the United States and its people. There was a very real fear that if the United States did not take action, Soviet tanks would soon roll down the national mall and strip away everything that the nation stood for, as well as every right that the people of the nation cherished. Had the Soviet Union won, Vic, you and i might not be able to converse as freely as we do now, and the PRC and a Soviet-Dominated world might very well be at war in a situation that is otherwise only found in the depictions of the film 1984.
lastly, in terms of reasons for war, the United States has by and large acted out of defense of its own interests or the common defense of its allies, whereas the PRC–in what few military ventures it has embarked on–has largely seemed to have done so with what, for all intents and purposes, looks like an attempt to restore its old hegemon over the various nations of Asia.
nirvana
To continue with parallel history:
Hitler’s speech:(Dantzig, 19 Sept 1939, 2 weeks after invasion of Poland)
“Germany was a big power and had to look on, while a far inferior people, of a far inferior State maltreated these Germans. ….No Power on earth would have borne this condition as long as Germany. …If peoples go to pieces it will not be the German people, who are fighting for justice, who have no war aims and who were attacked. “
Sounds familiar again? Read Xinhua and Global Times!
Vic
@Act
In the final analysis, if we can call it that, one can say that all governments act in their own interests. The instinct for self-preservation is part of our nature. In the animal kingdom, the majority flee or camouflage to self-preserve; the more vicious ones fight to the death. Only humans have preemptive kills based on perceptions.
There is a great divide in perception between Chinese and Americans. The Chinese know more about the world, than the world knows about China, mainly because of a great cultural change in China in the last 30 years. Going back 150 years, Chinese knowledge of the outside world is close to nil. The onus is now on China to prevent “misunderstanding” with the outside world, specially with the USA. The outside world shows very inclination to know China, due to a general lack of interest in knowing outside of one’s own.
I strongly recommend people to read “On China” by Henry Kissinger. It is also advisable to read “The Problem Of China” by Bertrand Russell published in 1922. The defense of the Chinese empire was done mainly by diplomacy rather than by brute force. The signing of “unequal treaties” with Western Powers was a means of survival and “buying time” as the strength of China has its cycles of ups and downs through the ages. It is a very old civilization.
China had never glorified military generals until after the Communist revolution. Soldiery is the lowest of the low, quite barbaric. China had an early start in civilization, and well understood that civilization is all about how one person treats another; it is never just about things. The civilization of Old China, like all organic entities, went to full bloom and eventually reached its terminal stage. Today, it is learning from the world with an open mind. Western media writings and opinions about China are in the main derogatory and negative.
Mao once said, ‘all wars are political’. American war in Vietnam was a war waged with military objectives. The Kent State University student killings showed the extent of division in America. The young were drafted by the old to fight a war they couldn’t understand. Drafted soldiers were just as likely to kill their officers at night as well as the Vietnamese in the mandated search-and-destroy missions. Vietcongs were highly motivated, the drafted soldiers were not. All a Vietcong had was a pair of black pajamas, a small plastic bag of rice, and a rifle. While America stressed the virtues of democracy and liberty, the blacks at home were asking for civil liberties. Martin Luther proclaimed, ‘to be judged by the contents of one’s character, rather than by the color of one’s skin.’
Is killing that necessary ? Are we all civilized? The movie “Captain Corelli’s Mandolin” is a good start to answer these questions.
comet
this is issue is not “asian vs american thing” neither maximizing the benefits for asians especially for Philippines, this issue is all about maintaining the balance of power and peace happening on said region. Philippines here soliciting help form other allied countries because they are the ones who are oppressed by agressive actions of China in dealing with conflicts in territory. For US they see China as a threat in peace and order in asian region because of their dirty and sly tactics to take advantage the weakness of small and weak countries like Philippines to have favor on things that they like to get. Philippines does not want to benefit here as well as other asean countries they want equal partition of justice and treatment, and filipinos can work for themselves give contribution for their own country to strenghten country as evident by increase their economy this year.
nirvana
@comet,
May I correct you on one point. China did not take advantage of its overwhelming power (soft & hard) vis-à-vis weaker neighbors ONLY. It systematically took advantage of the weakenesses of the Soviets and of the USA, switching alliance in so doing.
All the territorial gains that China got in the SCS were opportunistic, but well prepared, military operations that took advantage of momentarily weakness of one superpower combined with allianceship of convenience with the other superpower. Mao’s strategy in WWII, applied to the book.
comet
first of all I would like to thank you for correcting me and second I agree to you it make sense to me how these chinese becomes opportunistic in taking one by one territory, I believe also it is well prepared in pure military terms.
harry
LOL a nation full of cockroaches expect to be saved when the house is burning down. Americans have other things to think about than coming to the aid of an insignificant nation. besides the so called defence treaty is only valid when philppines it self is attacked since Huang Yan island is not philppines territory USA will not intervene.
The Scarborough Shoal is not included within the territorial lines defined in the Treaty of Paris (1898), Treaty of Washington (1900), Convention Between the United States and Great Britain (1930),1935 Constitution of the Philippines,Republic Act No. 3046 “Act to Define the Baselines of the Territorial Sea of the Philippines”(1961), or the 1987 Constitution of the Philippines.
the american government only see interests it never vale its allies in asia except Japan and South Korea, overcrowded hell hole like phillippnes is only considered as a rusty tool from the cold war. why would americans bleed for their greedy aggression in the South China Sea.
comet
You’re just underestimating how Americans think and even for Filipinos. Do you think the countries like Philippines are insignificant can you give me explantion why you say these. And can you back-up your explanation why those treaties and other proofs doesn’t include SCS it makes sense that this just propaganda.
nirvana
@harry & vic,
Some geographical and historical rectifications:
- The Scarborough is a shoal in the SCS, not an island. Only China considers it an island.
- There is no proof that Guo Shoujing, the astronomer of Kubilai Khan, knew about that shoal, nor did he go there. It may not belong to anybody.
- The SCS is NOT “the only body of water that extends” from China shores. Although, admittedly, for strategic submarines hiding in Sanya, it is only the exit route)
Now, I share some of your views on the ongoing big game:
- The Scarborough by itself has no value, economically or militarily, neither for China nor the US. For the US, it has no strategic value (it is undefendable rocks). For China it will not generate any EEZ (it is only rocks). I am not counting in here the poor fishermen (of all SCS surrounding coastal states). They are just victims of this big game.
- For both China and the US, it is a testing ground. The name of the big game is “guess where is my red line”.
This is a new form of Cold War taking shape. One in which Yang Jiechi was caught by surprised. One that Long Tao & Co have completely overlooked. One for which, except the UNCLOS issue, the US side seems to show more unity than the China side. One where, for the time being, the US is in the dynamic deployment phase and where, one part of China is in the expectative situation while another part is in the exasperation phase.
Vic
The fact is South China Sea is an open sea not owned by any nation. Since there may be valuable oil deposits underneath means everyone is interested. However, up to today there is no real major prolonged shooting incidents. The concerned countries are all the countries around the South China Sea. US is not part of this grouping but likes to get involved for whatever reasons. US may mess up everything, it’s pivoting is an action of a waning power.
The big question – who is going to be the leader of the pack?
The one who has the best strategy, staying power, and of course the guns to back up what they say. Realpolitik!
comet
you said that everyone is interested if there is oil deposits on what you are really saying if there is really oil and everyone is interested then everyone or somebody would just grab the area and take it as own regardless if this is unlawful or opportunistic manner. Philippines reacted on China because it is within their EEZ. No one filipino here didn’t expect thought China would react that way because they thought China clearly understood the limits of territory in short Philippines react that way accordingly on what law says. I believe also that south china sea is an open sea but China assert their claims as their own making this as a closed sea, a sea just for chineses and it is very clearly stated on 9 dash line made by chinese having big “U” shape SCS making ambigous and suspicious. Philippines didi not want to own SCS but they just own part of it on what they call EEZ.
Vic
That China has a nine-dash line drawn on a map announcing their core interest is China’s business; whether they can enforce and protect their core interest is another matter.
The US, a non-signatory to UN Law of Sea Treaty, does not recognize EEZ and the sea territorial limit. China, a signatory, may have their own view of EEZ depending on their ownership of sandbar/rock/island.
In the case of Philippine-China spat, both sides should have sat down and wrote out their versions of EEZ. That the attempt to nab Chinese fishermen in their traditional fishing areas triggered the standoff is unfortunate for all.
Common sense dictates that the Philippines, aware of the nine-dash line, should have approached the situation in a more subtle or diplomatic manner. Of course, none could lecture the Philippines how to do things. That the situation gotten out of hand is the responsibility of Del Rosario, Foreign Affairs Secretary. Philippines initiated an unnecessary action which simply spiral out of control.
John Chan
@vic
“…there is no real major prolonged shooting incidents”
You are wrong. China massacred 64 unarmed Vietnamese sailors in 1988 and posted video on YouTube as trophy.
Vic
It was brief, which one can call “skirmishes”.
nirvana
@vic,
Since when did China announce that the dotted-line represents its core interest? Why din’t Xinhua mention it about the Scarborough?
Vic
Yes, China’s view was made through all their official channels. Even the Americans know about it.
benigno
if SCS becomes a closed sea, this is a great advantage to australia, cape york peninsula and Darwin port could be a busy international stopover ports on commercial boats pass by from the middle east, africa, europe to asia, so it is generating money for australia.It is an excellent step for China and for Australia, but the worst for Japanese and Americans do not harm
Cyrus
It’s never an issue between Asians VS Americans. This issue is about Chinese aggression and the MDP between the Republic of the Philippines and the United States of America.
Vic
The issue is for Asians to maximize their benefits from a situation. We all have to play America like a puppet-on-the-string before their money runs out.
The Japanese are paying America for its military occupational bases in Japan. It is a defeated nation, nothing much they could do. Both Korea and Japan are under American military occupation. The Chinese enjoy the American military protection with American putting the lids on two very powerful and energetic people which have always been formidable threats to China.
The Americans are paying China enormous annual sums of interest (still at low interest rate) on the US treasury notes owed to China. The interest payment alone is enough to finance Chinese military modernization annually. China will tango with the US, and will not try to step on the partner’s toes.
Philippine has the easy means to extract benefits from the US. It is a former colony and has a mutual defense pact, which is one-sided: America has to protect the Philippines. America wants a “pivot” to Asia, Philippines can magnify this and extract maximum benefit. The spat with China is really “small potato”. Philippines must get as much as it can before American finances dry up. America has a weakness – it has a cowboy mentality and is a real spender. The British knew when to withdraw from their empire in Asia without a military struggle. The Americans, (witness Vietnam), will end its empire days with guns blazing; America is fairly young as a nation, only 220 years old. It is a juvenile which accounts for its cowboy behavior.
So let us all in Asia maximize. The Chinese are doing it, why not all of Asia. If Philippines is smart, it should have some “private” conversations with China outlining how both sides will maximize the benefits from the “spat”. Let us all play the puppet on the string, before American money runs out.
Cyrus
You don’t understand Filipino’s. We are loyal to America because we are friends, we fought and bleed with Americans in WWII, Korean War, Vietnam War, and even in Iraq War.
We are always ready whenever our allies beckons.
As to your history, the Brits never left Asia peacefully or did you not remember they got their asses kicked in Singapore during WWII?
Vic
Well, actually the Japs kicked the Westerners (Americans, British, Dutch, etc.) in World War II so badly they all had to leave South-East Asian countries after World War II. The Indonesians had to take on the Dutch when they came back after the Japanese left. The Vietnamese had to take on the French. The Malaysians and Filipinos were given independence by their colonial masters. The British, because they could no longer count on the loyalties of their Indian troops, had to give up their crown jewel, India. Hong Kong was given up when the Kowloon peninsula lease was up.
The Americans supported the French to take back Indo-China, which they both eventually lost through military actions.
papa john
@Vic,
You Chinese are ungrateful. We Americans helped you to fight the Japanese; otherwise you could speak Japanese by now. Again, we pour money into China , give jobs bringing hundreds of millions Chinese out of poverty and look what we have in return? Only see the stealing of our IPs, flooding our markets with counterfeits and poisonous foods, and continue challenging us on every fronts. We are here to stay in Asia and Chinese is better back off.
scdad07
@PapaJohn – when you eat Spaghetti, think of the ‘loyalty’ fees you and your fore ancestors never pay.
Nor did you pay Greek, Italy or Mexico on pizza.
When did ‘Patent’ law start?
Cyrus
Just a correction, Philippines was granted Independence because of the Tydings-McDuffie act which created the Philippine Commonwealth and would grant Independence after a period of 10 years.
It’s just tough luck for us that the 10 years so happen to be 1946, and we opted Independence rather than delaying it due to the war.
papa john
@scdad07,
What is your point here? Talking about foods, America is a place you would find every ethnic food we have in the world. Your Chinese cuisine is found every corner here. Do we have to pay a loyalty fee here every time we eat Cantonese dimsum? The same goes for Italian pizza?
By the way, have you ever tried any ethnic foods besides of your Chinese dumplings? I guess not, so I suggest you should try at least once to see how tasty they are. I recommend you should try to ones, you Chinese consider “barbarians” first like Filipino foods. Here is the link for the best ones. Try some and tell me how you appreciate for the culture.
http://panlasangpinoy.com/2011/01/23/what-are-your-top-10-favorite-filipino-foods/
a_canadian_observer
@scdado7: Mr. proudchinaman, “wisemen speak because they have something to say, fools (like you) because they have to say something” — Plato.
Vic
@ papa john
Everyone loves America, even the Chinese love Americans. Everyone, including Americans, is worried that the US government cannot rein in the industrial-military complex. President Eisenhower was the first to worry about this. His fears are now justified.
Simply too many wars! Perhaps it is time for the US to share power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely!
Matt
Ask Tibetans how nice it is living under China. The world is a small place these days. The US is not going to submit to Chinese hegemony anywhere. Deal with it. Or be surprised. Choose wisely.
The only friend China has in Asia is N Korea. That is pathetic.
vic
Living high up on a plateau and believing in re-incarnation and reading the Tibetan Book of the Dead isn’t really an ideal way of life. Being reined in by Beijing authorities isn’t exactly ideal either. However, one has to pick the lesser of two evils.
Having American military in Japan and Korea isn’t exactly a bad idea as far as China is concerned. Nice to have the Yanks putting a lid on people with well-documented extreme aggressive dispositions. Getting one barbarian to control other barbarians is a favorite method of former imperial courts in Beijing.
American military presence isn’t too bad really, as long as it doesn’t get too hegemonic.
Philippines kicked out the US bases, and now wants the US military presence as a counterweight for some reef out in the sea. Everyone seems to like to play the puppet on the string.
And Obama says I want to ‘pivot’ to Asia, whatever that means. Are Asians smart enough to play the puppet on the string? Ask Del Rosario, Foreign Affairs Secretary of the Philippines.
Cam
Only you living in a lalaland so you dont see china is the most hated nation by its neighbors and if you could tone down your rhetoric and give up your thuggish behaviors, then we could talk in equal terms. Dont tell me china doesn’t friends in the region. We can feel she is lonely like hell in these days.
nirvana
@Cam,
He does see it. But he is still nostalgic about the ancient splendor of Chinese Imperial times. A time, when they set the rules, or pretended so with the vassal system when they can’t. In a time, when they thought the world was square, they are in the middle surrounded by “barbarians”. Barbarians, who by definition of barbarity, knew how to navigate these dangerous “four seas” better than themselves. A time, where they recorded hearsay “strange things” in the high seas being told by these barbarians. Stange things that now they say are their ISLANDS, because they say they “dicovered” them.
John Chan
@nirvana,
Every nation has the right to choose its own path to develop; Philippines, Vietnam, Japan, SK and India chose to continue maintain their relationship with their former colonial masters and be happy with their former lackey role, it is their choice, nobody can stop them from doing that.
China chooses to return to its ancestor’s root and continue to make China a meaningful member of this global village, be an equal to all other civilization in status and contribution to the humanity.
It is acceptable for those nations to follow western culture because their ancestors did not left anything for them to following, but by smearing China relentlessly and recklessly in order to drag China down to their level, because China moves on a different and distinct path from theirs, it is rather short-sighted, because one day China can give them a better choice to a better life.
John Chan
@Cam,
You must distinguish propaganda from reality, in your case your can do none. China is the most smeared and victimized nation in world by insidious and greedy people like you. Even misguided nations like Vietnam and Philippines do not share your view.
The ASEAN nations in the Singapore told the USA to back off, manufacturing animosity among the Asians then profiting handsomely from the chaos is the wrong thing to do.
In fact, the USA led the predatory imperialist Westpac nations are most hated people in the world ever.
John Chan
@Cam:
You must distinguish propaganda from reality, in your case your can do none. China is the most smeared and victimized nation in world by insidious and greedy people like you. Even misguided nations like Vietnam and Philippines do not share your view.
The ASEAN nations in the Singapore told the USA to back off, manufacturing animosity among the Asians then profiting handsomely from the chaos is the wrong thing to do.
In fact, the USA led the predatory imperialist Westpac nations are most hated people in the world ever.
Cam
@john chan,
It looks like you are living in a cloud cuckoo land as well or just a CCP propaganda mouthpiece always living in denial. The more you rant, the more China is hated. Now the Filipinos really taste what to be a small neighbor of the big bad bully China in a “peaceful rise”, even they are thousands of miles away not connecting the Phil by land. Ask the Vietnamese or Koreans how they fended off the Chinese imperialists for thousands of years.Bullying and invading the small and weaker guys are in their blood.
The Americans come back because NE and SE Asian states invited them to help fending off the big bad bully China again. The CCP is so stupid with its aggressive stance in the west Phil/East Sea, now it has to face the mighty uncle Sam in their backyard for years to come. See it?
John Chan
@Cam,
On the IISS Asia Security Summit Shangri-La Dialogue 2012 the Singapore, the ASEAN nations told USA to respect their desire for peace and prosperity, their independence and the wish to manage their own affairs.
China told USA its behaviour in Asia is destructive and it is not a world leader should behave.
Shangri-La Dialogue 2012 has just concluded in the Singapore, a real city in the world, not a cloud of cuckoo land, so where is you support to prove that you are not delusional that you see real event as smoke?
China has been seeing the aggression from the predatory imperialist Westpac led by the Al Capone style USA since 1950, not just today, USA always says its bombing and killing is for democracy and human rights, and its atrocity and military occupation is the gift for the small and weak.
The question is why can China stand up against the bully with integrity, but Vietnam and Philippine have to sell their soul to their ex-butchers and invaders, and betray their anti-imperialist and anti-colonialist forefathers’ blood?
ACT
@John Chan
tell me, you always rant against the United States, but precisely who was it who pulled your asses out of the fire during WWII? The Americans; Claire Lee Chenault and his “Flying tigers” (also known officially as the 1st American Volunteer Group). they fought and died for you when no one else would, when your own armies were being pushed back at every turn, wracked by corruption and infighting to see who would rule the people of China… I believe you would do well to remember that, John Chan. the US government does not view you and yours as an enemy, yet you do not reciprocate that behavior, instead arming yourselves against perceived “interference” in “internal affairs” that are anything but internal.
Cam
@john chan,
Tell the diplomat how many friends does China have in East Asia? no matter how much you are telling lies, it is NKorea, the only friend, China has but wait a minute, did NKorea arrested bunch of Chinese fishermen a few weeks back? very soon, your only friend will turn their guns agaisnt Chinese because they can’t stand the big bad bully anymore. So watch out for the next nuclear test right on China northern border.
nirvana
@ACT,
John Chan is a fervent Maoist. As Mao he does feel grateful to Chenault’ Flying Tigers volunteers. He is deeply grateful to the Imperial Army of Japan.
nirvana
Typo:
“As Mao, he does NOT feel grateful to Chenault’s…”
scdad07
Will Aquino threaten Obama this coming week on bringing the MDT to International Tribunal Court in order to enforce a ‘TREATY’.
Obama simply says the treaty has never ‘REGISTERED’ with United Nation, just like UNCLOS.
Kimbo Y. Laurel
As USA shift their naval power to the pacific, it can be seen as a mean to maintain the balance of power in the Pacific ocean which can challenge the interest of the PROC. This naval shift benefits the countries which are disadvantaged in dealing with PROC like the Philippines. Asian countries will not accept any great hegemony in the region and subjected by it.
vic
Yes, Asian countries, including China, are not willing to accept American hegemony.
The war-mongering days of America are over. When the Vietnam War ended, everyone celebrated. The Philippines saw the moral dilemma of having US bases in its territory where were used to bomb Vietnam. Philippines kicked out the American bases. We all hope Philippines does remember that it is in Asia.
domingo
If China wont stop its harassment of the Philippines, I think its about time to grant the US permanent military basing for its armed forces anywhere it wants. When USA closed Subic naval base and Clark air force base in the Phil.,it was never been popular to the general public except for the few corrupt politicians.Since Phil. only has a toy navy and can’t afford to build a nuclear bomb,I think its more logical and cost effective if it envites the US military back permanently if it wants and develop close military alliances with Japan- they have the technology and Phil. have the manpower…vic, thanks for reminding the FILIPINOS of that mistake, next time around, it wont be….
vic
Yes, I think Del Rosario, the P.I. Foreign Affairs Secretary, is inviting the US military back in, disguised as on non-permanent basis (the Constitution states no foreign military bases are allowed). Since America is power-hungry and cannot stand the idea of a near-peer contender, Philippines can play America like a puppet-on-a-string.
Actually the standoff at a reef is an extremely small issue in the overall scheme of things, Philippines has not much to lose by playing off American against China. For China, South China Sea is important as that is the only body of water that extends from its shores. That is their immediate sea vicinity, which is their core interest. For Philippines, looking east is the Philippine Sea which extends to the huge Pacific Ocean. Both countries got its own natural extension to the waters.
We can play America off against China and reap the maximum benefits from the Americans, as they are easy with their money (that is how they end up with a huge deficit). We should really play the puppet. American wants to pivot to Asia, whatever it means. Let’s really squeeze the Americans for money. It’s not a bad idea for Philippines to apply for statehood to the United States; it is now or never.
Cam
@Vit,
The SCS border of China stops right on Hainan island. Dont pretend not to know the SCS actually should be called as it is, a southeast asian sea and China is not a southeast asian country. Long thousands of years before chinese set sailed in the SCS, it had been a home for seafaring Austronesian poeple. So your historical claim is laughable.
Justice
Because SCS is very importance to China so China will take it no matter how much does it cost, even if it’s belong to some other nation. Is that all you want to add too your logic. What kind of logic is it, isn’t that called bullier.
Every nation respect other nation and demand other nation respect them and want to treat equality. But some nation thing they are supperior to other nation and they no need too treat other equal.
The trust is your China quite strong, but we weak nation will never agree to such unequal treaty. If you want someone strong enought to match with your supperior ability then we small nation will regroup in some organization like ASEAN, SEATO, World Alliance or what ever. If you dont want treat other equal then you are not worthy to be treated equal.
John Chan
@Domingo,
Spanish, American, and Japanese had troops and military bases in Philippines before, why were the then Filipinos regard those aliens negatively, as invaders, murderers, colonial masters, …, and they gave up their lives to kick them out?
Now the Filipinos welcome and beg the same aliens American and Japanese back to have troops and military bases on their soil where their forefathers spread their blood to keep them out as protector and liberator. Please tell me the difference between the two events of having foreign troops and bases on the Philippines soil.
Is it because the modern Filipinos are greedy, corrupted, spineless lackeys but their forefathers are with integrity?
Cyrus
The Filipino’s fought against the Spanish because of abuses inflicted on our countrymen, the American’s because they betrayed Aguinaldo instead of helping us acquire freedom they made us their colony, and Japan because it raped and pillage our Country.
Those were in the past, we can never do anything with the past but we can with the future. Americans fought and died here in the Philippines trying to stave of the Japanese and came back to liberate the Philippines and answer the calls of wailing Filipino’s suffering from Japanese yoke.
Japan might have done horrible things to Filipino’s but they had reformed and even now still helping the Philippines with development aid, infrastructures, and Military Equipments.
You are wrong John Chan there still vets arrived that fought off the Japanese alive today and they have no ill feelings against the Japanese. Maybe this is something China needs to learn, FORGIVENESS.
Vic
The Philippine elite has been totally colonized. It is the only country in Asia in that scenario. Many people say that Philippine is very different from the rest of Asia. Their native culture is not as strong or as deep-rooted as say, the Malays in Malaysia or Indonesia. Hence, shallower culture will absorb the culture of the colonizers much easier.
But to be fair to native Filipinos, the above statement applies only to the elite. Take as an example, Del Rosario; he is totally colonized (American culture is part of him – it is so total that the American fart is perfume to him). Same goes to the current Ambassador to the US, Cuisia. If you check their backgrounds, you will find that their families are intertwined since childhood days. the Del Rosario’s and Cuisia supported Cory Aquino against Marcos. Now the son of Cory, Nonoy Aquino is the president. Get the picture? This is the leadership in the Philippines, clannish and not truly representative. The Americans love it!
Cyrus
@Vic The clannish culture is Oriental not Western, so if you have to blame something then blame it on our Oriental Culture.
It does not apply that we are more western oriented in our culture that we are completely colonized, that is why we are in GLOBALIZATION wherein CULTURES mingle and adapt. Filipino culture is alive and well you just might have a hard time spotting it since it’s a melting pot. It’s a combination of Spanish, Tribal, American, Chinese, and Indian cultures.
vic
@Cyrus
I must admit that Filipinos are very nice as social beings. They are easy going and very sociable. I have yet to meet others who are as warm as Filipinos. It must be the “melting pot culture” factor.
Cyrus
@Vic It might be the reason why some thinks we are completely colonized. It’s because we are always welcoming of visitors of any Nationality and we go out of our way.
Yes, Filipino per se is warm even during calamities you could still see Filipino’s smiling even if they have lost their homes. Even I am astounded on how they can still smile.
Kimbo Y. Laurel
Including China…… My comment includes China as well. All countries wants to be treated as equals but the problem with china is china treats other states like inferiors. Why should states put the trust on the large country even it is from the same continent?
Vic
America never treated Philippines as an equal. It conquered and colonized the Philippines. That is a simple fact. Yet the Filipinos still worship America and seek its protection. It’s a one-way love affair; so being treated as an equal or unequal has no relevance to the Philippines. However, it does matter to other Asian countries. Philippines is different from the rest of Asia.
One does not have to “trust” another country, all one has to do is to trade. The amount of trade shows the amount of interdependence. Trust is never an issue in international affairs.
China does not trust America, nor does America trust China. Still they tango together, in a deadly embrace, each with fangs ready to sink into the other’s neck. Realpolitik! Welcome to the world of reality
Walter
“Asia” is a big place, with no collective security mechanism. No one speaks for it. Not the Chinese. Not the U.S. Not the Singaporeans. Not the Japanese in 1941.
pra
there are so many rivalries and mutual distrust in between the Asian neighbours that we dont have any common or aligned security framework, the situation provide west an opportunity to gain some leverage and have partners to have security and in-situ develop economic relations.
a_canadian_observer
@vic: What I found during my month-long trip throughout Vietnam at the beginning of the year contradicts your statement (be it from your thought or CCP feed). The Vietnamese people from all walks of life seem to welcome any country (especially the US, Canada, etc…) except china. Makes you wonder why.
Vic
No, not surprising. These people have been around for a long time. Vietnam was under the dominion of the Chinese empire. Everyone wants to be his own boss. The same goes for a lot of provinces in China. Taiwan is a Chinese province, but would you rather be a Taiwan President or a Taiwan provincial governor. For OLD countries, the tendency is to disintegrate. There are a lot of dialects and languages, which is why China uses a non-phonetic script to hold the very diverse people together. Vietnam & Korea threw out the Chinese script. Japan has partly threw out the Chinese script. The written script is the clue.
America is a new country, with no historic excess baggage. In time, it will develop the baggage. Europe is trying to build a united Europe through the Euro currency. China did it a long time ago with a written script.
China is the future, mainly because Chinese have an early start with civilization. A civilization has an organic nature, it grows, matures, goes into full bloom and eventually reaches a terminal stage. China is showing what happens with overpopulation and high density living.
Look at California, see how diverse people are. It is very vibrant. Deng once told the American president, please do not criticize us, in time you will know the problem. As a nation matures, it will have the same problems; after all, we are really from the same human stock.
nirvana
@Vic,
An early start in civilization gives you a strong identity. But that’s not enough for global leadership, especially when you are misusing this identity, having denigrating it. The way China is glorifying its past, certainly a brightone, only amplifies chauvinism among its populace. Your country has an asset but your government does not know how to exploit it, or rather they does not use it for the benefits of your country image.
vic
China does not, nor will it, actively “seek” global leadership. It has enough internal problems of its own. It’s priority is internal stability and then security from external threats. It is slowly arranging bilateral exchange of monetary currencies as a better means for international trade.
Any global leadership status or importance, if it comes, will be due to her size in international trade. People should read Chinese history – not a favorite subject for non-Chinese (quite understandably as there is no interest to know about something that is not one’s own). Chinese will try to understand the world, but there is no Chinese governmental push to get others to understand China. There is no love lost in this situation.
a_canadian_observer
@vic: This is CCP’s propaganda line, word for word. Nothing new. The bottom line is: we don’t trust you.
a_canadian_observer
@vic: You didn’t get my point. The bottom line is, the Vienamese people have alredy made up their mind who their friends are.