The commencement at any university or college is usually filled with special events, ceremonies, and proud traditions. Speakers at such affairs often look to recent events and note the world around us as a source of inspiration in their remarks.
But the recent commencement ceremony at the U.S. Naval Academy also offered perhaps as good an example of the sign of the times as anything else: U.S. Secretary Defense Leon Panetta presented a diploma to the first foreign student to achieve top graduate honors, young midshipman Sam Tan Wei Chen. His nation of origin: Singapore.
In recent months, the United States has laid out a carefully scripted strategy of “pivoting” or what has been recently re-termed as “rebalancing” to the Asia-Pacific region. Through carefully worded op-eds, speeches, and military maneuvers, U.S. diplomats have laid the foundations for a new strategic focus after a decade of war. Yet, America’s new strategy seems more of a hedge to the broader Indo-Pacific than a simple rebalance to the Pacific.
In an especially timely speech delivered in Singapore on Saturday to the 11th IISS Asia Security Summit, Panetta detailed America’s vision for the Asia-Pacific/Indo-Pacific region. And make no mistake, the U.S. intends to hedges its bets with only one target in mind: The People’s Republic of China.
While cooperation will be encouraged, America plans to have the forces and military power in the region in case regional tensions erupt into armed conflict. Alliances and partnerships in the region will be strengthened as a backstop against any eventualities.
Hedging its bets in the Indo-Pacific makes sense for the United States, and by default its allies in the region for a number of reasons.
First and most importantly, the U.S. doesn’t have the simple option of trying to contain China. Many scholars have correctly observed China is a major part of a globalized economic order and the world's second largest economy. While containment may have worked against the Soviet Union, no similar wall can be constructed around a nation that has deep links to the rest of the world through the internet, social media, and global commerce. Cold War strategies simply won't apply.
It should also be noted that China is a nation whose true strategic intentions are somewhat vague. For all its bluster in the recent Scarborough Shoal affair, China didn’t send out the PLA Navy (PLAN) to try to settle the matter. China does,however,claim the shoal,which sits 220 kilometers away fromthe Philippines’ Luzon Island – aconsiderable distance from the Chinese coast.
China is also facing a period of transition. Its economy seems to be slowing and faces pressures to adapt from being an export-led model of economic growth to a more domestic, consumer driven concept. China’s party leadership will also be transitioning to a new generation of leaders who could conceivably have their own ideas about relations with the region and the United States.
Before the U.S. can begin hedging on the future, past commitments that complicate such a strategy –namely significant American ground forces in Afghanistan and a global war on terrorism – need to be brought to a close, or at least deemphasized.
America’s true pivot seemed well underway judging by Panetta’s remarksashe noted “The United States is at a strategic turning point after a decade of war.” While not declaring victory, Panetta clearly signaled the U.S. intention to move on, saying: “We have significantly weakened al-Qaeda’s leadership and ability to attack other nations. We have sent a very clear message that nobody attacks the United States and gets away with it. Our military mission in Iraq has ended and established – established an Iraq that can secure and govern itself.”
In the case of Afghanistan, Panetta suggested that “we have begun our transition to the Afghan security lead and to an Afghanistan that can secure and govern itself.”
The true meat of the speech,though, came as Panetta laid outthe strategy for the future.Panettarepeated many long stated U.S. priorities in the region, including a strong commitment to “international rules and order.” Time honored alliances (Japan, South Korea) and new partnerships (India, Singapore) would be strengthened, he said. There was also a pledge to reassure U.S.allies that it will remain committed in the region over the long haul,despite budget cuts. This was reinforced by a pledge to utilizethe United States’state of the art armed forces.
On China itself, the secretary made it very clear the U.S. seeks a workmanlike relationship and cooperation overshared interests:
“China is a key to being able to develop a peaceful, prosperous, and secure Asia-Pacific in the 21st century. And I am looking forward to traveling there soon at the invitation of the Chinese government. Both of our nations recognize that the relationship – this relationship between the United States and China is one of the most important in the world. We in the United States are clear-eyed about the challenges, make no mistake about it, but we also seek to grasp the opportunities that can come from closer cooperation and a closer relationship.”
Panetta also paid special attention to military-to-military contacts, something also reinforced in the Pentagon's recent report on China, noting a goal
“to deepen our partnership in humanitarian assistance, counter-drug, and counter-proliferation efforts. We have also agreed on the need to address responsible behavior in cyberspace and in outer space. We must establish and reinforce agreed principles of responsible behavior in these key domains.”
Despites all the talk of cooperation, though, the most interesting section of Panetta’s speech noted the military component of the U.S. strategy, what he called “force projection”. He encouraged U.S. allies to look at not only the numbers of American forces in the regions, but to their advanced capabilities. He noted the United States would deploy 60 percent of its naval power to the Pacific, a strategy that began under the previous administration. Port visits will be increased and become more widely distributed, including in the Indian Ocean. Six carriers will be deployed in the region with “a majority of our cruisers, destroyers, Littoral Combat Ships, and submarines.” Special note was made of the technological prowess of American combat power that will be dedicated to the region. Fifth generation fighters, new “enhanced” Virginia class nuclear submarines, and improved precision weapons will all “provide our forces with freedom of maneuver in areas in which our access and freedom of action may be threatened.”
Panetta was also sure to mention the much-discussed Joint Operational Access Concept and related Air-Sea Battle concept. Such ideas would help “meet the challenges of new and disruptive technologies and weapons that could deny our forces access to key sea routes and key lines of communication.”
Access, specifically anti-access, seems to be the key military threat U.S. planners seem to wish to hedge against. While not singled out specifically in the secretary’s speech, there’s no other nation in the Pacific that sports advanced anti-access capabilities more than China. More broadly known as Anti-access/Area-denial (A2/AD), such a strategy would be deployed through synergizing the combined military capabilities of ultra-quiet diesel and nuclear submarines, mines, cyber attacks, anti-satellite weapons and swarm attacks by ballistic and cruise missiles. Slowing, limiting or denying a superior U.S. force from aiding a potential rival in combat in areas like the South China Sea, Taiwan or elsewhere seems to be the goal.
Some consider the centerpiece of such a strategy an anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM), the DF-21D. The missile, fired from a mobile truck-mounted launcher into the atmosphere, with assistance from over-the-horizon radar, satellite tracking and possibly unmanned aerial vehicles, could strike a ship on the open ocean. There is considerable debate over whether current U.S. missile defenses could counter such a missile.
In the end, any strategy is only as good as the resources that are devoted to it. With what many are calling “taxmageddon” approaching, funding for a U.S. hedging strategy in the Pacific is unclear at best. With a possible $500 billion in additional defense cuts looming if no compromise is reached, the U.S. force posture in the Indo-Pacific, in the short-term at least, is uncertain. Yet devoting a larger percentage of its military power and resources to its goal to protect its vital interests is a natural component to any U.S. hedging strategy. Failure to do so only invites failure.

Corleone
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John Chan
Vietnam opened up Cam Ranh bay for all countries to stop and repair/maintenance. Vietnam receives million of dollars from America for repair. China should do the same for Hainam. China should have special offer to America. All American’s ships are repaired with FREE of charge. Chinese repairmen are trained to steal American’s secrets while doing repair work.
Matt
What are you talking about? Sounds like you are having a hard time watching the US run circles around China. You can’t very well explain away how the US is going back to Cam Ranh Bay can you? Might you think it has something to do with China totally failing in international diplomacy?
The world has changed but China wants to relive the past and force other countries to give up their land as the old ways would have allowed. Welcome to the modern world….thanks to the US’s ability to ensure a broad peace. No major war as happened because of the US. China should thank the US for making their success possible. And cease all moves to challenge the very force that gave it the peace to prosper. Or risk war and destruction.
Kangmin Zheng
“No major war as happened because of the US”
U are right – no major war since ww2. When China under the ruling of CCP is stronger than the US, it’s a different story. PLA is testing the water with much weaker/smaller countries like Philippines and Vietnam. Not so “peaceful rise”, isn’t it.
Vic
@kangmin
There are major wars for the Americans after WWII: Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan.
In fact, the Americans have been continuously at war since WWII. The establishment must be truly Anglo-Saxon dominated. They are aggressive by nature.
Now, that they are winding down the war in Afghanistan, they are restless and on the move again, this time to SE Asia, South China Sea. They are true Vikings. Beware SE Asia, they are going to make a mess in this area. They don’t really care, it’s not their home ground. An offences is the best form of defense. Sorry, SE Asians. What America is now saying and doing is – We want “primacy” in Asia, WHAT WE SAY GOES. If we all agree, it would be peaceful, otherwise tough luck.
Matt
Vic:
Go back to school and learn about WWII. Vietnam and any war the world has seen since WWII has been a small war in comparison. Hence the name of the war being a single country instead of “WORLD WAR”. I hope China’s leaders aren’t as clueless as you seem to be. Remember WHO saved China from total destruction in that last WORLD WAR?
vic
We are talking about major wars. America and the world paid a very heavy price for the Vietnam War. The American government so overspent that it could no longer redeem the US dollar at its promised gold price. As the French Government kept demanding gold instead of US dollar, US withdrew the nuclear umbrella from France. France then went nuclear on its own. The US finally had to shut down the gold window; and that was the final end of the Gold Standard. The US government defaulted as the world central bankers looked in disbelief as they had been previously assured that the US dollars they were holding could be redeemed by the gold in Fort Knox.
Ever since then, the US government continued its irresponsible behavior with regards to US dollar as a world reserve currency. Eventually we had the 2008 financial crisis; it was building over the decades.
Although the US dollar bill has the word “In God We Trust”, the world is now searching for a new alternative. A new international currency regime is slowly being created with Renminbi as one of the anchor currencies. Tough times ahead for American government financing. The US must cut back on their military expenditure, it could not go on with unproductive military adventurism.
papa john
No one could save china from total destructions if the Chinese decided to go war with the US.
And this is increasingly clear that the potential skirmishes with the PLAN could happen anytime next year when we shift 60% of our arm force to the Pacific, then we will patrol the East and SCS with our mighty navy . The expense could be paid by oil dollar revenue by the Japanese, Vietnamese and Filipinos for protection fees.
Vic
@papa john
Quite traditional, a la Mafia’s Godfather. Make sure to make an extra 10% for the boys back home.
John Chan
@”John Chan” the impostor,
Vietnamese has no integrity just like you who only dare to spread toxic comment using hijacked screen name.
Vietnamese Papa Chan
@ John Chan “Vietnamese has no integrity”: Stop to insult the other peoples! Everybody knows that Vietnam would be natural ally of the PRC with its cutural similarity to Chinese people and its current VCP on power. Even a SRV is against the current politic unilateralism of PRC. With its politics of hegemony, no country would be a ally of China in the foreseeable future. China is just a “angst hase” and paper tiger. They do not dare to retake Taiwan or the lost territory from Russia, just dare to bully other smaller neighboring countries.
But making a total war is a different thing! Please make a total war against Vietnam! The territorial integrity of China is then over! That is a chance that Vienam would be no more communistic, that the other nations (Taiwanese, Tibetan, Uighurs.. etc) would declare independent! That is a horror scenario for the PCR!
Corleone
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HHop
Have you done your part, wherever in the world you are, by stopping the purchase ALL Chinese-made poison-laden goods?
HHop
Have you done your part, wherever in the world you are, by stopping All Chinese-made poison-laden goods?
VICTOR
@hHOP
ARE U SAYING THAT AMERICANS ARE GREEDY AND/OR INHERENTLY STUPID TO BUY “POISONED GOODS” FOR THIRTY YEARS AND IRONICALLY ALSO BORROWING MONEY FROM THE MANUFACTURER OF “POISONED GOODS” TO BUY THE MANUFACTURER POISONED “POISONED GOODS”.
THEN U AND AMERICA DESERVE TO DIE AND/OR BECOME BANKRUPT FOR YOUR “INTELLIGENCE”
LET’S START A DONATE TO AMERICA FUND THEN?
THANKS TO U I NOW KNOW WHY AMERICA IS WORLD’S BIGGEST DEBTOR.
talking points
US is either losing integrity or a chicken hawk.
It is pivoting, rebalancing, dancing to asia pacific, all for the purpose of frastrating China. yet it dare not to say it publicly. I am wondering why.
It is afraid of China getting angry? or it can’t help cheating?
China should do the same, speak softly with a smile, build up its strategic force by leaps and bounds. it should show the courage to do harm on those who intended to harm China.
screw anti access, you don’t defend the bullet, you kill the shooter.
victor
Please help america.
It is pivoting to asia and is a faster,more flexible, leaner and meaner military machine.
It is a new hype for a country with no money.
Please help with a generous donation.
Duke
Just think of yourself a little bit. China is like a giant truck going down the hill without a brake & sadly,there’s no way to escape! China’s economy, not the US’, is collapsing. Don’t you know that?
John Chan
Mainland China should let demonstrators gather at Tiananmen Square protests and the deadly government crackdown that followed.
China should release Tiananmen Prisoners.
Alex
That would require admitting the event and subsequent cover up took place.
John Chan
@”John Chan” the impostor,
China has picked up the bad habits of the capitalist of the westerners; demonstration on the Tienanmen Square will cause lost of income of tourism, their capitalist greed makes them cracking down the demonstration with brutality as the police cracking down the Wall St occupation.
Matt
Next China will claim that 2000 yrs. ago they sent an astronomer to North America and that we need to give them their continent back. Or 2000 yrs. ago the Ding A Ling dynasty proclaimed the moon was actually Chinese territory. China believes they can do whatever they please because they are “bigger” today. Does that mean if their economy takes a nose dive and they become “smaller” they will give up Tibet?
I might have exagerated but the truth really isn’t that far away. That shows just how absurd their thinking is today…not 2000 or 200 yrs ago.
John Chan
@Matt,
Next USA will become a communist state, next Vietnam will sink US carrier, Next the Philippines will attack Australia, next … a lot things could happen next. Indeed you might have exaggerated beyond the point of absurdity.
Mazo
Hardly more absurd than a communist state vehemence about defending the “historical” territorial claims of an imperialist empire using a scrap of paper drawn by some bureaucrat and nine dashed lines!!
ian
Guys, lets be nice. These new rules enunciated by the PRC are worth considering.
Imagine, i went to china about 2 years ago when they were still pretending they believe in soft power. Long story short… i took a leak in bejing, can i make a claim on china now do you think. I mean based on their argument, some dickh.. ancestors of their took a leak in the island some time ago so it theirs now, so now i can claim china as main as well. I will share all the women with all you guys and then arrange some fun for our friends jc and vic, the kind they usually visits on their people, like running poor peasants over with their cars or torturing some human rights lawyers.
applesauce
exaggerated?
no my friend you have not “exaggerated” you are flat out lying here, the modern day PRC has never expanded its territorial claims. its claims have been around since its founding and was based on the claims of the preceding ROC and Qing dynasty. since 1949 when the CPC took control, the claims have only gotten smaller by negotiation with various neighboring countries and have never gotten larger, no a single inch.
Vic
Yes, China’s physical size has shrunk. The Russians, coming from the edge of Europe took the biggest chunk. Problem for the Russians, they have not enough bodies to fill the space. Up North, China got a lot of bodies. Vladivostok, the Russian word for ‘conqueror of the east”, speaks volumes.
The British gained the most physical space: Canada, America, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa (almost entirely). In the process, the natives got practically wiped out or totally disenfranchised: American Indians, Australian Aborigines, Maoris, Africans (almost entirely).
nirvana
@vic,
What an adroit debater you are!
“China has shrunk”. But what is the reference time? And what does “China” means? Han populated lands?
Ah, and your racist inclination. Yes, British Islands, North-Americas, Australia, New-Zealand and South-Africa are collectively called “anglo-saxon world”. But they are not populated by the “Bristish” people, nor governed by them. The grouping refers today only to a certain commonality of culture. In these countries you can find black, white, yellow, hispanic, africans, men and women taking very high responsibilities.
vic
@nirv
“China has shrunk” is based on the borders of Qing Dynasty, the predecessor of the Chinese Republic. China refers to China Proper (majority Han) plus the minorities’ areas (including Tibet & Sinkiang).
The mention of the Anglo-Saxon world is to make comparison about territorial expansion.
The sad part about the Anglo-Saxon expansion is the accompanying genocide; this is the uniqueness of the Anglo world (just to show its aggressiveness).
Today in America,the blacks often said to the other minorities that they should thank the blacks for the civil liberties they now enjoy. They refer to Martin Luther King – “to be judged based on the contents of one’s character, rather than by the color of one’s skin”. This really says it all,I guess.
nirvana
@vic,
Your attempt to compare the “anglo-saxon world” with “China” is strange. “Anglo-Saxon” is a scientific term with an ethnicity meaning, now broadly used to designate a culture. If you want to compare the British Empire with the Qing Empire then you should exclude South-Africa from the former. And the British Empire has shrunk too, in proportion much more than Qing Empire. If you want to compare the footprint of the Anglo-Saxon influence (as a culture) with the Han culture influence, that is another (interesting) subject.
Anyway, thank you for answering with clarity my question about your reference point in time. If we look at a Qing Dynasty map, then “China has shrunk”. So what? Hopefully, China’s aim is not to take back, inch by inch (or li by li), territories it owned more than a century ago. Young Chinese deserve a better mission than that. Furthermore, the fact that it lost some Northern lands it considered its territories is not a justification to have an expansionism policy into the SCS. China clearly has great difficulty proving that it had exercised sovereignty over such islands and sea, taking your reference time into account. And finally, taking the same reference, following the same logic, I would say that claiming Taiwan is expansionism too.
Vic
@nirvana
Please look careful at previous comments to which I was addressing.
When you talk to a 20-year old and an 80-year old, their history references will have different time horizons. America and China are in this similar situation.
Perhaps one of the best description I come across is the remark that “China is a civilization pretending to be a state”. How true. When two Chinese meet, one might say I am Hunanese, and the other may say I am Cantonese. When both come across a foreigner, they would say I am ZhongGuo Ren (Chinese, if you like). ZhongGuo (China, if you like) encompasses terrain, culture and history right up to the beginning of civilization. The concept is very different from saying “I am American”. Simply two different concepts. Perhaps hard to explain and we might as well leave it at that.
Taiwan claims China, and China claims Taiwan. Nobody on either side will ever say we will never reunite. (Perhaps only politicians who are seeking votes by saying what you may). Everyone knows eventually both sides will reunite; it has to do with timing. When China says about attacking Taiwan, it’s a proxy name for US coming to the Taiwan Strait. If anything else, please believe me on this!
Something very strange happened on the eve of the Beijing Olympics. When the population saw the animosity shown by the West, they closed rank with the CCP. This was amazing. It is the first time in my life that I realized how deep is the divide between China and the West.
nirvana
@vic,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the definition of « China ». If you like Pye’s definition, you should understand why most countries enjoy to befriend with China as a civilization, but stay on their guards when approaching China as a state. As civilization, “China” has been constant, as a state “China” has been erratic, and increasingly so in this last half-century, and particularly on the boiling SCS issue.
Concerning the 2008 Olympics, I regret that both sides were hijacking this cultural event for political exploitations of mediatic exposures.
Personally, I enjoy discussing with you because I find that you are a civilized Chinese. You and me should do our parts to reduce the West-China divide as you were deploring, I guess.
Matt
Bad Apple,
You tell me I’m lying and then you prove my point by referring to the Qing Dynasty from over 100 yrs ago. No country should be able to go 100 yrs. to rationalize the seizure of foreign land today much less 2000 yrs ago as many idiotic Chinese like to do. To act as if Chinese attempts to steal other country’s land which they currently rule is not stealing is to lie. The Scarborough Shoal was used as a training area for the US Navy up until they left. So they were Philippine controled and now I guess China controls them thus they stole it. You sir are the liar along with the rest of your imperialist Chinese commrades.
Kangmin Zheng
@Matt
“You sir are the liar along with the rest of your imperialist Chinese comrades”
Absolutely agreed with you. These John Chan, Vic and Bad Apple are total brainwashed by CCP – a disgrace to the Chinese people and completely shameless individuals.
applesauce
im lying? what part of what i said is a lie?
and im the one brain washed?, so anyone disagreeing with you is automatically a ccp agent, yea your opinion overrules the facts that anyone can Google. it is clear you dont not even know the basic history of the area like those of us who has taken classes on it.
so its aggression from china when the PN only declared sovereignty of the area in the 70′s while china has had a claim in the area since its founding?
and why can we not base on history? just because the western world has stolen entire continents from the natives in the past so now history is invalid as a source of legitimacy? and that if we based on history then the Entire Americas and various other lands would not be run by what we now consider the “west”?
did you even know that the treaty spain and the US sign defining the PN did not include this current disputed area?
yep im the brain washed ccp agent and your the informed world citizen and anyone stating otherwise or disagreeing with your opinions are communist agents.
dont let the facts hit you on your way out.
nirvana
@Applesauce,
You can use history, but you can not distort history. I have been turning all the stones in the Internet, I could not find a single historical proof that China discovered the Scarborough in 1279, as claimed by Xinhua.
And saying that the Scarborough is an island is a lie, an intention to mislead or a complete ignorance. It is a shoal, with only a few tiny rocks above high tide. So, if fishermen are poaching in this area, the responsibility to stop them falls clearly with the Philippines law enforcement. There is nothing that allows another country to do law enforcement in these water, barring the dotted-line (that China did not invoke officially in this case, cf. Xinhua).
The Paris treaty has no jurisdiction on this fishing ground issue, and Philippines does not invoke this treaty to claim jurisdiction over these fishing grounds. And either China recognizes also the Paris treaty line, or China recognizes that the Philippines has the obligation to align its jurisdiction to UNCLOS treaty that it ratified. You can not have the cake and it eat.
Mazo
That is completely specious logic to say the least, the ROC never recognized the PRC and after the Qing Dynasty’s fall there was decades of chaos leading to a period of warlord fighting and factionalism. It is absurd for an illegitimate successor state to try and enforce the treaties signed by its predecessor state with other foreign states and warlords and regions.
The Qing dynasty claimed all of South East Asia as “tributary” stats even though nobody in those regions gave a damn about the Qing. Even The British when they ruled India, negotiated treaties concerning Tibet with the Local Tibetan authorities because the Qing were impotent and had only a token presence with no actual power.
Today, the PRC, the illegitimate heir of ROC and in turn the illegitimate heir of the Qing Dynasty is trying to reclaim territories that have not seen direct Chinese rule for more than 500 years, which is the height of absurdity!
If the PRC can claim such ridiculous titles, than the Pope of Rome can claim all of Europe, the Macedonians can claim most of Asia and the Mongols can claim ALL of China and Asia!
vic
@nirvana
China and the West are living in two parallel civilizations, each viewing the other sometimes with admiration, sometimes with contempt. This will not change in the foreseeable future. The only difference is that China is viewing the other side with eyes wide open, whereas the West is not. How Chinese attitude has changed in the last few hundred years.
The Scarborough Reef standoff is quite surprising for me. Years ago, when Deng met with Philippines President, the PI side put up a claim based on proximity, whereby Deng replied that the Philippine islands are the closest the China, it should not implied the Philippines belong to China. Nothing much happened until recently. Of course there has been a change in Philippine administration. The attempt to nab Chinese fishermen was very unnecessary and provocative with no real productive end.
Nonoy Aquino, Del Rosario & Co. are very Americanized. The puppeteer might think he is playing the puppet-on-the-string, whereas the puppeteer had been programmed through very successful cultural colonization to move the way the puppet wants.
END OF MY STORY on the Philippine standoff.
a_canadian_observer
@vic: I’ve been watching you ranting on and on, and noticed that you haven’t been able to provide a single, small evidence/proof to support your argument re. the Scarborough shoal. All your ranting has been based on CCP propaganda lines, chinese arrogance and a total disregard for international laws. If this the best, you can come up with, I really feel for china as a “powerful” nation?
Vic
@canadian observer
I am now out to prove anything. Just observing and giving my opinion. If you are interested in the details, there are a lot to look at in the web. A reef is a reef. I don’t know what’s the big deal about this reef, except there are 3 parties involved now: China, Philippines and US. When there are two cats squabbling, why should there be a third cat? Filipinos have a word for this cat, “saling pusa”.
Cam
@Matt,
You are not exagerating a bit. This is indeed in their blood, inventing something called “historical undisputable claims”. The Chinese won’t back off, no matter how stupid their claims might be. Next, they will claim somewhere in Africa because the footprints of chinese labors are there. Next, they will claim Amsterdam, Holland because chinese girls are found working there in RLD. To back up their claims, they will say “we are a billion plus people country. We need lots of resources. China size has shrunk, it is time to get what we deserve” (this is absurd at best given original territory of Han chinese, a nomad tribe north of yellow river.
World, watch out for the Chinese claims.
Vic
1. We are a billion plus – correct!
2. We need resources – correct!
3. China has physically shrunk – correct!
4. We deserve more – correct! through diligence & hard-work and to increase China’s production possibility curve by international trade
5. There is a Viking out there, marauding, always prepared to cut off your international sea route. Pressuring, intimidating through their aircraft carriers.
6. At the top of its agenda, the Viking wants to be the leader of the pack in the South China Sea. It would be nicer if the Viking prefers trade to military adventurism. However, a Viking is a Viking.
nirvana
@vic
Your first four points are common sense. But your accusations of the fifth and sixth points are not convincing at all.
For one, the USA were reducing its military presence in the region after the end of the Vietnam war. Why did China start a 3rd Indochina War with the Khmer Rouge and the border war with Vietnam? The USA were accentuating the détente at the end of the Cold War. Why did China plan and build a strategic submarines base there as a reaction? Why did China “pivot” its military force to the South after the fall of the Soviets?
For two, if the dark intention of Capitalists (Americans and Europeans) is to cut your supply routes in the SCS, why is China their first trading partner? Why are their car industries developing full speed in China?
For three, what is the reason for drawing dotted-line in the SCS, already in 1947? Was China considering, in 1947, Vietnam, The Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia and Indonesia as “roving barbarians”? Don’t tell me that in 1947 China already hypothesized that the SCS could be rich in hydrocarbons.
What is the reason for spending money in refurbishing the Varyag? To defend or to intimidate? And to intimidate who? To intimidate the big gorilla with 11 carrier groups? Or to defend against your neighbors who are already 20 times weaker, even when combining all of their navies together?
The US has lost its leadership in South-East Asia for a while. China will make it into a very wanted comeback leader. Your accusations doesn’t fit any logic, except one, your stratagem of crying wolf. So stop pretending to be a sheep, act like one: dismantle your Sanya base, moore the Varyag permanently in Macau and clarify the meaning of your dotted-line. Peace depends only on China’s will.
vic
@nirvana
1. For a start, the USA invasion of Vietnam is morally wrong. The number of Vietnamese killed runs to the millions. American textbook perhaps should be written in a more proper perspective about this senseless war, hopefully to prevent future US military adventurism. The following Chinese punitive war was to prevent Vietnam swallowing the whole of Indochina; consultation was made with the US prior to its launch. Chinese submarine base in Chinese territory is a non-issue.
2. The fear is always the US blockade of supply route to China. The US has a bad record on this.
3. About the dotted line, to be honest, I have not much clue on this. If I have time, I will try to research on this. As for the Varyag, my first reaction was what can one carrier do? Yes, it is a good buy, $20MM for that much steel, and in a floating form, WOW ! The West called it a rusty junk. The papers are now saying that China is already building another 2 carriers. I presume with 3 Chinese carriers near the shores of China,it would make American carrier operations more taxing.
The question is why are American carriers doing near China, threatening perhaps ? It seems the US wants “primacy” in Asia; it wants to show who’s boss around here. Really!
papa john
@Vic,
You are really a funny Chinese imperialist. Let papa correct some of your points below:
1. We are a billion plus – people around the world complain their countries are flooded with Chinese and they don’t respect local culture and obey the law there.
2. We need resources – I couldn’t agree more if you Chinese are honest in trades,. not the dumping tactics as we see now and getting resources doesn’t mean robbing or grabbing foreign lands based on doctored fake map.
3. China has physically shrunk – this is a big lie. I would agree if china let Tibet, Manchuria, Xinjjang and inner Mongolia go free from the brutality of Han empire.
4. We deserve more – how can it be when you chinese guys steal the IPs, rob other country resources, violate trading agreement (dumping, rare earth import cutting,…), export poisonous foods, harmful materials,…
5. “There is a Viking out there, marauding, always prepared to cut off your international sea route. Pressuring, intimidating through their aircraft carriers.”
I am so pleased to know Mr Panetta announced US will ship 60% defense force to China’s back yard to deal with China. This means we will deploy at least 6 carrier strike battle groups. With access to Cam ranh bay and Singapore ports, we can actually control the sea lines of the entire SCS, thus cutting bloodlines of China anytime we want.
6. “ At the top of its agenda, the Viking wants to be the leader of the pack in the South China Sea. It would be nicer if the Viking prefers trade to military adventurism. However, a Viking is a Viking.”
We rebalance our force in the Pacific Rim due to the invite of China’s neighbors, not because we want to be Vikings. You should blame at the CCP’s expansionism ambition.
vic
Hooray for America! God Bless America! I like the US greenback, it got “In God We Trust”.
vic
To be honest, I don’t understand why China wants that many carriers? Expensive to run, and quite sinkable. I suppose they are good as adjunct to foreign policy. China got so many ASBMs in Qingyuan, Guangdong Province. They are on mobile launchers, which are constantly on the move in mountain ranges. The ASBMs, I presume, are making carriers obsolete. ASBMs are quite cost effective, considering the cost of a carrier, its principal target. It has the advantage of not requiring the use of tactical nuclear weapons on carrier groups. I suppose this lowers the risk of nuclear warfare.
What do you guys think ?
papa john
@Vic,
LOL. You are threatening papa and our mighty naval force with Chinese stuffs? Anything about Chinese weaponry systems so far is myth, rumor, unproven and inflated by bragging Chinese like you. Nothing militarily the Chinese can be proud of, just look at how the Chinese waged war and got a bloody nose with a much weaker smaller Vietnamese in 1979 border war.
If the carrier becomes obsolete, then why Chinese are building more besides the” junky floating casino”? Papa is not a missile expert but I am pretty sure your Chinese ASBMs could be shot down by our missile defense umbrella before it could hit our carriers. Remember we have been doing successfully before (better watch documentary on the first gulf war).
Vic
I don’t think you understand the word “ballistic”. It is virtually impossible to intercept at that high speed. ASBM is China’s anti-access/sea denial strategy to the US carrier group. The attacking carrier has to stay at a safe distance, thus nullifying its aircraft from reaching an out-of-range target. The damage due to impact of an ASBM is immense because of sheer momentum, aside from the explosive payload.
Aircraft carriers are not very effective against homelands of major powers, however, they are useful as adjunct to a state’s foreign policy, e.g. sea blockade at a distance. It is well known that a single conventional torpedo will not sink an aircraft carrier; however a single tactical nuclear warhead will sink an aircraft carrier almost immediately.
The use of tactical nuclear weapon cannot be used unless it is cleared at the highest level. So, basically it is a political, not a military, decision.
Dick
First off, the thing called DF21D so far is just something untested in the real world for its real capacity. Secondly, the US Air Force in case of conflict erupting will blind all Chinese surveillance satellites, so the ‘big-guy-DF21Ds (!)’ will never have a chance to ‘see’ the US carrier groups on the high seas(in order to strike at them) before being taken out by the US subs, stealth bombers, UAVs & fighters .
Vic
@nirvana
1. For a start, the USA invasion of Vietnam is morally wrong. The number of Vietnamese killed runs to the millions. American textbook perhaps should be written in a more proper perspective about this senseless war, hopefully to prevent future US military adventurism. The following Chinese punitive was was to prevent Vietnam swallowing the whole of Indochina; consultation was made with the US prior to its launch. Chinese submarine base in Chinese territory is a non-issue.
2. The fear is always the US blockage of supply route to China. The US has a bad record on this.
3. About the dotted line, to be honest, I have not much clue on this. If I have time, I will try to research on this. As for the Varyag, my first reaction was what can one carrier do? Yes, it is a good buy, $20MM for that much steel, and in a floating form, WOW! The West called it a rusty junk. The papers are now saying that China is already building another 2 carriers. I presume with 3 Chinese carriers near the shores of China, it would make American carrier operations more taxing.
The question is what are American carriers doing near China, threatening perhaps ? It seems the US wants “primacy” in Asia; it wants to show who’s boss around here. Really!
a_canadian_observer
@vic:
1. “For a start, the USA invasion of Vietnam is morally wrong. The number of Vietnamese killed runs to the millions. American textbook perhaps should be written in a more proper perspective about this senseless war, hopefully to prevent future US military adventurism. The following Chinese punitive was was to prevent Vietnam swallowing the whole of Indochina; consultation was made with the US prior to its launch. Chinese submarine base in Chinese territory is a non-issue.”
– Any invasion is morally wrong (Tibet case included). But saying the US invading VN is either lack of knowledge or being dishonest. If the communist block (where china is a big member) did not push its invasion southward, the US had no need to “invade” VN.
2. “The fear is always the US blockage of supply route to China. The US has a bad record on this.”
– If you behave well, there’s nothing to worry.
3. “About the dotted line, to be honest, I have not much clue on this. If I have time, I will try to research on this. As for the Varyag, my first reaction was what can one carrier do? Yes, it is a good buy, $20MM for that much steel, and in a floating form, WOW! The West called it a rusty junk. The papers are now saying that China is already building another 2 carriers. I presume with 3 Chinese carriers near the shores of China, it would make American carrier operations more taxing.”
– Agreed that you need to educate yourself on the dotted line. But I doubt that you can be subjective, as your mind has been clouded by CCP’s brainwashed.
“The question is what are American carriers doing near China, threatening perhaps ? It seems the US wants “primacy” in Asia; it wants to show who’s boss around here. Really!”
– Because the Asian nations want America to be present; because china has not proven itself to be a trustworthy member of the region… just to name a few.
vic
@canadian observer
If you want me to give an opinion about the dotted lines on SCS, I will. Of course, opinions are always subjective by definition.
The dotted line concept is vague, because the situation is vague. The US refuses to recognize the UNCLOS because it has no advantage in doing so. China signs it with the proviso about quite a few things, including the EEZ definition. Any nation can recognize or withdraw from a treaty. All seas are open seas. People live on land. People can live in harmony or otherwise. Nations have opinions and interests; sometimes they may squabble. This is reality.
vic
@Dick
It is already operational in Qingyuan, Guangdong Province. Even the US naval command confirmed this, calling it “initial operational status” when first mentioned. Qingyuan has mountain ranges and is not too far off the coast, roughly 200 km. So that gives at least 1,000 km (conservative estimate) seawater strike range. Qingyuan’s size is approximately half the size of Taiwan island.
I am sure there are other sites, but this area is the only one mentioned officially in the local press. You know how it is with secrecy in China.
Well, if the ASBM performs accordingly, that is a plus for everyone. At least there won’t be a major shooting war, as the American navy will stay further away as a precaution. The Chinese will get what they want – deny American navy access in certain areas. The American navy will get what they want, by staying further away, they can stay out of harm’s way. Win – Win for everyone.
Isn’t this wonderful ? NO SHOOTING. Peace On Earth and Goodwill to All Men ! AMEN
John Chan
Can the USA give a straight answer to the question, why does China need to be hedged? China does not export ideology, China is a constructive member of all international forum, UN, WTO, IMF, World Bank, …, China is the biggest foreign lender to the US and EU, … The good deeds China has done for the world is numerous.
The USA has neither meaningful trade with nor energy dependency on SEA nations and India, why are SCS and Indian Ocean vital interests to the US?
As Panetta has clearly expressed, the USA is determined to cripple China for its predatory imperialist need, no amount of dialogues can dislodge the USA’s hostility toward China. The only thing China can do is stop dreaming USA’s returning to sanity no matter which party is in the government. Preparing for the worst is the only prudent choice left for China.
applesauce
well thats the way it works isnt it?
you hedged against me, i hedged against you
Duke
The international community in general and all the Asian-Pacific countries in particular just want China to play by the rules,to respect & abide by all the international law & norms as well as to honor all treaties to which China is a signatory. That’s it!
Vic
America has not even signed the TREATY. When American attacked IRAQ, it could not get a resolution for war, but it proceeded regardless. Yes, America writes the rules(not bad, if they were fair and inclusive of every nation’s interests).
The Americans (British migrants) wiped out the native American Indians to settle the land. Every year, Americans celebrated Thanksgiving – thanking God for the land. When the British landed at New Zealand, they signed a contract with the Maoris, saying the British have a right to settle (It’s legal, the British said). The British settlers virtually wiped out the Australian Aborigines to settle Australia. These are the rules, because we say so. The Spanish conquistadors had the God-given inspiration to wipe out the Aztecs for the gold. It’s allowed according to the Bible.
The Americans captured African slaves. It’s moral, according to the Bible. After all, only the whites have souls.
As for the Chinese,Margaret Thatcher initially told Deng that the Hong Kong island is ceded permanently to the British in a treaty, and should not be under negotiation for a handover. (She should have known that a contract done under duress is not valid; not to worry, they are only Chinese, they do not understand British laws). Deng replied, if you insist,PLA troops will march into Hong kong tomorrow. Please tell me, who understands international law? Of course, only Westerners. It is their world, their call. Comprende ?
JohnX
This is the 21st Century and we are trying to live today not in the past. In each of the countries you names, they are implementing repayment to those whose land was lost.
Though, if you wish to point fingers, then what about the CCP in 1947 skinning a ROC Officer alive after they captured him?
What about the WW2 prisoners killed by the CCP?
What about the brainwashing attempts on Prisoners during the Korean War and subsequent murder of those who didn’t take it?
See, we all have crimes in our history and we try to live today, but if I read your argument, it appears toi be that you say “you did this in the past and now you want to stop us doing similar things toda, aren’t you a hypocrite?”
Maybe, but give me back the 21st weaponary and technology, adopt 18th Century weapons and tech in tune with your ideals and then lets discuss it.
vic
Sins of forebears are original sins of a culture; the sins are part of the foundations of its society. A culture founded on aggression will act aggressively, unless other countervailing factors are there to mitigate. America has a “manifest destiny”; it believes it has a mission to change the world according to her beliefs.
Civilization is all about how one man treats another man; it is never only about clever gadgets or weaponry. Chinese meek response to the West fell on deaf ears 150 years ago. China learned the hard way. However, it will not be to her credit if she does what the West has been doing to other people and other cultures.
China has no ambition of world conquests in the Western sense. It will do what it does best – managing its own internal affairs. The Great Wall of China was built to protect its inhabitants; arrows could be aimed from the wall at the roving barbarians. Today, a wall of ASBMs along the coastlines are aimed towards marauding aircraft carriers of modern day Vikings.
Trading, not fighting, is her forte. Anglo-Saxons may despise this characteristic; however every culture is different. So, let’s live and let live.
John Chan
@Duke,
If China plays the American rules, China should conduct shock & Awe operations on all 45 islands at Spratly Islands long time ago.
BTW, since when Vietnamese honor treaties? It has a treaty with China saying it recognized China’s sovereignty over the SCS and it will not contest China’s jurisdiction over the SCS. Now Vietnam is going back on its words in order to please its ex-butcher.
Phil
John Chan
As usual where is the link that showed Vietnam said that? Remember neutral source only and no chinese!
Duke
@ Chan,
China dares not play that way. Up till now, it still has not had enough forces & means to do such a thing. Just boast & brag! There’s still a very long way for China to go, my comrade. Moreover, the international community won’t let China steal other people’s property at will!
John Chan
@Phil,
Your ignorance is not my responsibility. This is not USA, you cannot always blame others for your own fault. Besides you need to adjust your bearing, the people insist their words have to be taken as given truth are the ones lie.
@Duke,
China is not predatory imperialist Westpac which are bombing and killing unprovoked; military forces is to maintain peace and protect sovereignty, only Vietnam and Philippines are imitating their bellicose ex-colonial masters and attacking others recklessly.
If your international community sides predatory imperialist Westpac and its lackeys like Vietnam and Philippines, that international community has lost morality and integrity, they are siding the aggressors, they are morally bankrupted.
Ben
“…since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”
nirvana
@Phil, Duke and John Chan,
I think John Chan, when he said “treaty”, was referring to the memo that North-Vietnam’s premier Pham Van Dong sent to Zhou EnLai (1958). Well, if it is considered by China as a “treaty”, I would say that it has all the characteristics of an UNEQUAL Treaty.
Pham Van Dong memo was a (strange) non-sollicited response to a unilateral declaration of the PRC defining its territorial waters in the SCS, which declaration does not concern North Vietnam, and which declaration does NOT mention the dotted-line. You can Google “1958 declaration china’s territorial sea”.
So, whatever the meaning of that line, it is a blatant lie to argue that the dotted-line has been a consistent element of China sovereignty claim in the SCS.
Submitting this line to UNCLOS in 2009, is aggravating China’s case of bad faith.
John Chan
@nirvana,
The nine-dotted line is a line delineating China’s territory in the SCS. It is as good as any nation’s territory line. Philippines’ stealing gas and oil in the disputed areas without China’s permission is a bad behaviour motivated by ill faith.
Duke
@ Chan,
And it covered virtually the whole SCS, an international body of waters! What kind of map is that, Chan? Is here the planet Earth of the 21st century where civilized people have been living or just somewhere far-away in the universe where the law of jungle’s still dominating? Try to ask yourself that question, my dear comrade, Chan.
John Chan
@Duke,
Did anybody say China owns all the international waters in the SCS? Only anti-China clique distorts the fact to smear China. Your comment is a typical example. China says it owns all the lands in the nine-dotted line in the SCS, and the Philippines and Vietnam are encroaching China’s land inside the nine-dotted line in the SCS.
Duke ask yourself a question, what are the Philippines and Vietnam hiding because they keep on distorting the fact?
Duke
@ Chan,
Go take a look at the notoriously weird tongue-of-cow, 9-dashed line map, you’ll have the answer for your question immediately. Don’t pretend to be naive, my dear comrade! The whole world’s already known what China really wants. That’s the reason why the US must pivot back/ re-balance to the Asia-Pacific. No regional hegemon here, sorry!
John Chan
@Duke,
What is wrong with the nine-dotted line? It is perfectly OK to me as well as to the whole world as China’s territory line in the SCS except to the anti-China clique like you who will oppose anything that is Chinese. US is a predatory imperialist bully and it will pivot to anywhere it deems threat. USA only has tools and no allies, it will sell the tool when it is done, it is American way of life.
China is a peace loving nation, it treats all nations large and small as equal with respect. The only rogue nations acting as regional bully are Vietnam and Philippines on top the world’s sole supper bully.
Vic
America is locked into the past. Mao once said, “all wars are political”. To the Americans, wars are fought with military means. That view caused the failure of the Vietnam War. All one can say to the American government, “hey, stupid, it’s the economy”.
America cannot stand a near-peer contender. America, as a young nation, was spared the massive war destruction on its homeland. All other lands are recovering or have recovered from the effects of previous war. China is recovering from 500 years of isolated splendor and was really truly battered 150 years ago. It takes time to discover the disease in order to find the means to recover from mortal wounds.
America could not be bothered with history. It believes that everything is about GUNS. A juvenile civilization in the true sense of the word. I suggest to the American administration that they should all watch the movie, “Captain Corelli’s Mandolin”. In the movie, the Italian troops told the Germans, we are opera singers, we do not like guns. Life is all about singing and enjoying, not about shooting people.
China, the target of American discontent, should keep on with economic growth, and have modern armaments to prevent Americans from disrupting its oil energy routes. The objective is not to fight but to prevent the Viking from marauding.
Mark
John Chan-first of all you don’t understand the international system. Since the beginning of time, the first civilizations with coherent governments and leaders, nations have been competing for influence and position in the world, and hedging against each other. It’s just the way the world works, and to think that China is not or will not engage in those activities is foolishness.
If you look at all of these international bodies about which you speak, you’ll find that China as a “constructive member” is not quite accurate, as a great many countries complain about China’s currency manipulation, refusal to protect intellectual property rights, etc. These complaints are not limited to the U.S., many other countries have similar concerns.
And think about this-The leadership of China doesn’t even give it’s own citizens any true freedom and don’t care about their rights, they don’t care about their right to speak or write their own opinions, they routinely suspend rule of law against demonstrators, many of whom just disappear or get sent to jail with no due process. Force is routinely used to put down peaceful rebellions. Do you really expect a nation without respect for the rights of it’s own citizens to truly care about respecting other nations?
I live in China, I’m not trying to make the case that their is nothing good about China, I’m just saying that your notion that China is some great citizen of the world, and doesn’t engage in the same kind of realpolitik power play, and won’t do it more blatantly as it’s power increases is absurd.
And your reference to China should conduct shock and awe operations-disagree or not with the U.S’s use of “shock and awe,” their is no attempt to maintain political or military control over any nations. Yes, the accusation that some of America’s actions are motivated by protecting access to oil have some merit, and people can believe what they want about the morality of that, but it’s just the way the world works. To believe that China doesn’t do the same thing within the limits of it’s current abilities, and won’t continue to do so it foolish. Learn a little about the terrible regimes in Africa that are propped up by China because China wants access to their oil.
Doesn’t it also tell you something that these territorial disputes in the waters around China involve nearly ALL nations that China has borders with? Are all of these nations making trouble with China for no reason, is it truly logical to belief that they are all in the wrong, and China is in the right?
John Chan
@Mark,
USA is hedging China against whom in Asia or in the world? Do you actually understand hedging? If USA wants to reduce risk using hedging, USA needs befriend with China not hostile to China. Do you actually understand the meaning of hedge in this article? The author is playing words, he used hedge instead of containment or encircling.
China is an amateur comparing maestros like USA and its lackeys in the Westpac in the arts of currency manipulation, stealing and robbing innovations, and fabricating narratives with convincing reality.
You have missed the point all together, I merely do what the Westpac does, selective reporting about China, but I am still better than the Westpac, I merely protest when China is portrayed unfairly by reminding the world that the same shortfalls exist in the Westpac too. The Westpac is predatory imperialist wanting to harm China for their unscrupulous greed.
Using China as a fall guy to justify the crimes the Westpac has committed is a rather weak excuse. Furthermore using “blaming the victim” to justify Al Capone and Co. are right to beat up the victim provides your arguments are rather deceitful.
John Chan
@Mark,
After first Opium War all western powers had their blades on China, as the westerners said they all had trading, investing and meddling difficulties with China (it was officially documented in the western nations). I guess you will say the same “Are all of these nations making trouble with China for no reason, is it truly logical to belief that they are all in the wrong, and China is in the right?”
I hope I get your logic right, in fact I am surely I got you as well as the westerners logic right, otherwise they won’t desperately trying to rewriting history to white wash their ugly past.
Vic
@Mark
If you are living in China, you would notice how non-violent the average person is compared to the one in the Western world. Western culture is dynamic and quite aggressive. This trait will flow on to foreign policies of states.
Mazo
“The good deeds China has done for the world is numerous.”
ROFL………
North Korea anyone ? How about aiding and abetting the Myanmarese junta ?? Waging wars against the UN forces in the Korean war ? proliferating missile and weapons technology to rogue nations ? Industrial, technological and scientific thievery and piracy ? Shielding rogue tyrants against UN sanctions.
Need I go on ???
It is incredible how utterly and completely deluded one needs to be to make such a statement about how “good” China has been to the world when despite being a P5 member and having the largest standing army, Bangladesh contributes more forces for UN peace keeping operations!
a_canadian_observer
Don’t forget, china also trained, supported and sypplied regimes like Cambodia’s Khmer Rouge, and those in Africa. Look at the results of those “peace” deeds.
Lung Sha Shou
Chan you are a twisted misinformed puppet who knows so little of history except what the ministry of propaganda has fed you.
Unofrtunately you don’t even know the pronouncements of the current leadership of China and have instead injected your own rabid, agitated brand of nationalism.
You are like a small boy with hurt feelings, endlessly complaining, but never smart enough or well informed enough to really get it.
You are steeped in the deep racism of the Han Chinese, endlessly nursing resentment – ever ready and perpetually willing to overlook decency, rules and law for your own side, but complaining endlessly like a vain girl when things don’t go your way.
As I have said before, you have no real values. You are happy when, for whatever reason, things go against your enemies, and whine and complain when things go against your team. Like the hypocrites you support, when the rules suit you you appeal to them, when they don’t you either ignore them or attack them.
Like China itself, you have NO PRINCIPLES, only self interest. This is why you and so called Chinese “civilisation” is a sad joke. No values, no principles, no backbone, just a selfish pre-occupation with what you want and real and imagined insults in your feverish imagination.
There are some on your so called side that are almost worthy of respect because the have some belief in fundamental principles of fairness, decency and law.
You on the other hand twist and squirm in the wind trying to argue for your side but apparently oblivious to the fact that because you have no principls you have an impossible task. You cannot argue for anything because you, like your rotten nation, does not beleive in anything. All you have is selfish desire, resentment, hatred and WHINING.
Its hard to be anything but a rabid whinger when you have no principles.
But then you support a regime that is practiced at lying and censorship, which murders unborn children up to 7 and 8 months gestation, which supports the worlds greatest butchers, like Assad, for self interest, and which is riven with corruption.
You think you are helping or supporting the poor 80% of Chinese? You and the self interested cheersquad are doubtless one of the 20% whose support has been bought by the party. The price you paid is integrity decency and honesty.
Its not as if you or your filthy regime ever cared about the basic needs and rights of any human being.
You would have been one of the butchers of Tiananmen Square and are part of the soul-less evil that has tried to erase the truth from history. Do you even know the truth of Tiananmen Square?
You have no principles, no integrity, no honesty, and limited intelligence.
ian
Hang on a minute Lung, that is a bit harsh. He does love his mum!!. ..You do love your mum right jc? john…,, where are you.
Lung Sha Shou
China has had no better friend than the US but this instead of gratitude gets the sort of puerile, infantile, hostile garbage from John Chan (whose views are simply a more overt expression of their Foriegn Minster)
A nation of exploiters users and ingrates.
Yes we must prepare for the worst – afte all they expect war to be the midwife ofthe Chinse Century and are obviously planning to wage agressive war against others.
Their military buildup and weapons systems focus indicates this pretty clearly.