Will the return of Shinzo Abe as Japan's prime minister mark the attempted revival of his controversial and short-lived 2007 initiative, the quadrilateral dialogue? A reading of his recent article on a "strategic diamond" of Indo-Pacific Asia's maritime democracies – Japan, the United States, Australia and India – certainly leaves that impression.
Just a few weeks into the job, Abe is already being criticized for heightening mistrust between Japan and China. His stance on the issue of so-called comfort women from the time of Japan's World War II occupation of Korea is cause for concern. And any more general attitude of downplaying Japanese contrition over that brutal period of history hardly seems in Japan's interests in terms of winning friends in Asia or beyond.
Yet it would be inaccurate and unfair to dismiss the entirety of the new Abe government’s foreign and security policy platform as needless or provocative nationalism. It is both prudent and understandable, for instance, that Japan appears set on a modest expansion of its maritime defense capabilities, given several years of tensions with China and worsening anxieties about North Korea.
And a more normalized Japanese defense posture – including a military that can operate confidently with partners beyond Japan's immediate neighborhood – could contribute to the maintenance of security and order in the Indo-Pacific regional commons, where Japan has a legitimate interest as a major seafaring and trading nation.
Still, one area where Abe could well ring alarm bells in Beijing and among those observers most sensitive to China's perceptions is the question of so-called minilateral security collaboration. This refers to small groupings of self-selecting partner countries holding confidential strategic dialogues or military exercises or even joining forces in operations like disaster relief.
This has been a growth industry in Asia over the past decade, driven partly by frustrations with the slow pace of inclusive multilateral institutions like the ASEAN Regional Forum.
Already there is an established trilateral strategic dialogue, Australia, the United States and Japan, and an emerging trilateral forum of Japan, United States and India. An Australia-India-United States trilateral has also been briefly mooted. Meanwhile bilateral dialogues, security declarations and defense cooperation agreements (albeit short of treaty alliances) have proliferated between American allies and partners, notably Australia-Japan, Japan-India, Australia-India and Australia-South Korea.
No doubt Chinese security analysts have been watching all of this with concern, and there's no question that much of this heightened interest in ‘connecting the spokes’ of the American-centric strategic order is due to strategic uncertainty about how China might use its future power. It is understandable hedging and soft balancing.
The question now is whether Japan under Abe might return to the idea of something bigger and more cohesive than a web of bilateral and trilateral dialogues among Indo-Pacific democracies. The quadrilateral dialogue of 2007 brought together Japan, India, Australia and the United States, the four first responders to the 2004 Southeast Asian tsunami, in a tentative set of mid-level officials talks focused principally on disaster relief and similar transnational security concerns. It was less substantial or threatening than Chinese analysts seem to consider it — something of a phantom menace, as I wrote in The Diplomat at the time.
There will be little immediate appetite for its revival among some participants, notably India and Australia, if they judge that possible benefits in strategic policy coordination are outweighed by the prospective rise in Chinese perceptions, however misplaced, of a containment strategy. Then again, policymakers in these nations naturally resent the idea that China should have a veto over what they talk about with whom. Australia’s conservative opposition has continued to criticize Canberra’s Labor government for withdrawing from the quad in the first place.
And there is no reason why new minilateral arrangements should be destabilizing provided that participants step up their efforts at parallel strategic dialogue with China.
Either way, I suspect we have not seen the last glimpse of Abe’s strategic diamond.
Kangmin Zheng
Breaking news. Communist China officially prepare for war with Japan. It's getting real ugly.
Lnrds
@ John Chan
Ahhhh…the same old stuff again? Never gets old doesn't it?
Damn straight China is Non interference country just remember had the West not "interfered" in China to fight the Japanese off in WW2 (practically all of Asia). Where would your country be today? think about it! Sometimes…doing nothing also means sitting on the side line watching everything and everyone fall apart and as a human being I cannot find this acceptable.
It is better to die trying than do nothing.
John LaChance
What is Abe doing? And why is he doing it?
The US presidential staff knew full well that a new prime minister would "dearly desire" to come to the US as soon as possible to pay homage and secure guarantees. From January 2012 until this last minute, the president's desk could have been arranged differently to accommodate the new prime minister. Why didn't we? Because we did not want a beggar on our doorstep, asking us to take the lead against China on such a parochial matter as the Senkakus.
Abe knows what he has to do before he comes to America with his hand out. He has to align the ASEAN countries into a worthy security coalition, regardless of how many economic and military guarantees he has to provide these allies. Only then will we allow Abe to come here and speak with the president regarding what Japan wants and what Japan is willing to do.
We do not want beggars at our doorstep, only allies who are willing to fight for their rights. Senkaku belongs to Japan. Japan must show that it can lead the fight. The US will stand shoulder to shoulder with our allies in the South China Sea and with Japan. But, as is our new modus operandi, America will "lead from behind" until the matter clearly becomes our own fight for hegemony.
abe
I am visiting Vietnam. With the Vietnamese, we share lots of common values. We are both willingly finghting the bully China.
John Chan
@abe,
Japan is an apologetic war criminal, its crimes include occupying Vietnam, massacre and rape Vietnamese, and on top of that Japanese prosperity is built on supplying war materials to the Americans to massacre Vietnamese in the 10 years of Vietnam War.
Sure Japanese and Vietnamese share same value, one enjoys kill and rape, the other enjoys being killed and rapped by the unrepented war criminal.
abe
Wrong, John Chan. We only enjoy Chinese women only.
Liang1a
John LaChance wrote:
January 17, 2013 at 3:29 am
What is Abe doing? And why is he doing it?
The US presidential staff knew full well that a new prime minister would "dearly desire" to come to the US as soon as possible to pay homage and secure guarantees. From January 2012 until this last minute, the president's desk could have been arranged differently to accommodate the new prime minister. Why didn't we? Because we did not want a beggar on our doorstep, asking us to take the lead against China on such a parochial matter as the Senkakus.
Abe knows what he has to do before he comes to America with his hand out. He has to align the ASEAN countries into a worthy security coalition, regardless of how many economic and military guarantees he has to provide these allies. Only then will we allow Abe to come here and speak with the president regarding what Japan wants and what Japan is willing to do.
We do not want beggars at our doorstep, only allies who are willing to fight for their rights. Senkaku belongs to Japan. Japan must show that it can lead the fight. The US will stand shoulder to shoulder with our allies in the South China Sea and with Japan. But, as is our new modus operandi, America will "lead from behind" until the matter clearly becomes our own fight for hegemony.
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Very good. I appreciate the humor.
Drive by
- India is one of the most important player in the non-alliance movement. She strives to be a leader of the non-alliance countries. It's highly unlikely that India would degrade herself to a pawn for other countries' anti-China strategy. Furthermore, India cannot substitute China as a viable alternative market for either Japan or Australia.
- Any anti-China alliance would not have Australia on board either simply because of market force and the current economic situation.
- The U.S. is not anxious to change the status quo in Asia either. The reality for the U.S. is that the TPP is pretty much dead-on-arrival. The Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, which was purposed during the meeting of ASEAN in November last year, and was not widely reported in Western mainstream media, actually has a much better chance of success. The RCEP includes 15 Asia-Pacific countries includes China, Australia, and New Zealand, but excludes the U.S. That is a more powful statement about the real influence of the U.S. in Asia-Pacific than any propaganda the Western MSM could ever trumpt out. I have no doubt that eventually Abe will be forced to do a one-man show.
Zippy
Hi John,
We think that one word undermines your spamming of this site – Tibet.
Regards,
The rest of the world
Liang1a
Zippy wrote:
January 16, 2013 at 2:25 pm
Hi John,
We think that one word undermines your spamming of this site – Tibet.
Regards,
The rest of the world
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Hello, Zippy,
Other than the usual cabal of the West including their attack dogs, can you name 20 countries in your "the rest of the world"?
Oh Choumei
very cheap article based on racial discrimination for Japanese.
Chia is a present continuous aggression nation to Asia, of course includes Tibet and Uyhgr and South Mongol, aming to occupy Taiwan.
Abe doctoring will serve and bring the saefty and moderate prosperity of Asia, we convince.
Liang1a
Abe probably thinks he can form a new alliance with India, Vietnam, Philippines, S. Korea, Russia and US to attack China. I think it is unlikely that Russia will join such an alliance not out of benevolence but because Russia knows that once China were taken down then Russia will be the next victim. Therefore, having seen the collapse of the USSR, Russia is now very wary of joining any alliance with the US and Japan.
Can Japan rope in the other 5 countries to join it to attack China? I think it is possible and even probable that such an alliance can be formed. But it is a different question whether such an alliance is enough to take down China. If Xi is successful to double China's GDP within 10 years then he must do so by relying on domestic development. Once China begins to rely on its own domestic development then its economy cannot be slowed down by external factors. This means that even if China were surrounded by hostile forces and its trade totally ceased, its economy can still grow by some 7.5% per year and enough to double the Chinese economy within 10 years. China needs very few imports since it can be self-sufficient in food and energy and most raw materials. China is currently importing a large amount of oil. But much of this oil is used to produce exports. So if exports ceased then China's needs for oil will also be much reduced and domestic oils can be sufficient to supply domestic needs. Also China can increase the output of coal of which it has more than enough for decades if not centuries. Also China can significantly expand many energy sources such as hydroelectricity, wind and solar energies as well as nuclear power. China has discovered more than 150,000 tons of uranium in recent years. China also has more than enough iron ore and copper and millions of tons of lithium and is almost the only supplier of rare earth elements. So China can shift from gasoline powered cars to battery powered cars while expanding electrical supplies and continue to keep its domestic economy expanding at a brisk rate.
China's technologies have also matured to such a degree that it can independently develop indigenous technologies in fields that it is currently lagging in. For example, China's jet engines have been a significant laggard in its technological advancement. But with the recent efforts to do the fundamental R&D to develop new materials and production methods, it can be expected that Chinese engine technologies can now advance rapidly even without copying any foreign engine technologies. For another example, China is no longer trying to copy American steam catapult for its aircraft carriers but is developing independently to produce a magnetic catapult that will be superior to the American steam catapult.
So given China
’s ability to advance its own technologies as well as being self-sufficient in food and energy and raw materials, there is really nothing that can slow down China even if it were totally isolated. But in fact it is doubtful if any alliance can totally isolate China. Chinese navy is growing rapidly and will be able to equal American and Japnese navy combined within 10 years if it makes the effort. Chinese nuclear attack submarines can number dozens and can roam in all the oceans of the world. This means that if Chinese shipping if attacked by the Japnese and American navy then Chinese nuclear powered attack subs can attack Japnese and American shipping anywhere in the world. Because of this certain retaliation, it will make the Japnese and Americans hesitant to interfere with Chinese shipping and make any attempt to isolate China ineffective.
Over the near term, America would not want to see trade with China stopped because it will hurt America just as much if not more than it hurts China. It will take at least several years for America to relocate its factories out of China and find new source of cheap imports from other countries. By that time China will be much stronger in its navy if it is wise enough to use the time effectively to rapidly upgrade and expand its ICBM forces and nuclear powered attack submarine forces. Beyond 10 years, China's economy will be double that of the US at some 100 trillion yuan and $33 trillion at 3 yuan per dollar (2011 purchasing power). This will be much bigger than the GDP of the US, Japan, S. Korea and India combined. Philippines and Vietnam are so small that they don't make any difference. Therefore, these enemies of China will have a total GDP of less than $25 trillion:
US: $15 trillion
Japan: $4 trillion
India: $4 trillion
S. Korea:$1.5 trillion
This means that China can deploy a military bigger than all its enemies combined that are just as advanced if not more advanced. It is also likely that a war with China will collapse the economies of its enemies which means as Chinese economy expands the economies of its enemies will shrink leading to even greater disparity in favor of China which means China will ultimately have an even more powerful military relatively.
And not the least is that China's enemies will not be united. None of them would want to fight China alone. The US will surely not commit any of its forces until well after Japan and China have knocked each other out. And Japan will not want to commit the bulk of its forces without the US right by its side. That is to say, unless Americans are committed to fight China, then Japan alone will only scream and yell but not do any large scale battles. The only likely thing for the Japnese to do is a few small scale skirmishes with its destroyers and fighters. But China can simply sink Japnese destroyers with its anti-ship ballistic missiles such as the DF-21D and DF-25 without risking its destroyers. In any event Chinese destroyers are now superior to any destroyers Japan has. For example, Chinese Type 052D destroyers are superior to any destroyer Japan has.
In the end, an alliance of Japan, US, S. Korea, India, Vietnam and Philippines will not be able to hurt China. All of them will wait for the others to attack China. And even if they did attack simultaneously, China can wipe them out systematically. China can destroy all the surface ships of Japan and America within 3,000 km of China's shores. S. Korea will have its hands full fighting N. Korea. India cannot break through China's defenses in the Tibetan mountains and instead will be pushed back. Then Chinese forces will be able to attack New Delhi and destroy much of Indian government's infrastructure and bureaucracy. At the same time China will free the suppressed minorities inside India so that they can be freed of Indian dominance. In short order Indian nation will be divided into many smaller nations. Within a few days India will cease to exist and will from then on be fighting inside India to try to reunite their country again. In the end, the India as we know it will cease to exist forever. And with its passing China will be rid of a pestilential threat forever. Vietnamese navy and air force will be destroyed within a few hours and then it is no longer a threat. Philippines is not even a threat. It is just a joke and can be ignored. And with trade disrupted, American economy will crash. First its stock market will collapse with the Dow Jones Ind. Ave. falling 50% in a few days and then falling another 50% within a year. Japnese stock market will also collapse followed by its domestic economy. Its global businesses will collapse and its people will have no energy while food and all imported raw materials will inflate out of sight. In the end, China will double its economy within 10 years while the economies of Japan and the US will fall 20% to 50% within 10 years. Then without doing more fighting, China will see its enemies collapsed on their own.
nirvana
And yet, China is bullying little Philippines and Vietnam for a few drops of oil in the SCS. What an egoistic and mean would be "superpower".
Data: China crude oil import = 5.5 million barrels/day. Vietnamese total crude production (inc from SCS)=300 thousands barrels:day
Liang1a
nirvana wrote:
January 17, 2013 at 2:07 am
And yet, China is bullying little Philippines and Vietnam for a few drops of oil in the SCS. What an egoistic and mean would be "superpower".
Data: China crude oil import = 5.5 million barrels/day. Vietnamese total crude production (inc from SCS)=300 thousands barrels:day
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A little thug is still a thug. Vietnam is still stealing 300,000 barrels of oil a day from China. China does not have to allow anybody to steal from it. Hu and Wen had been too lax and friendly and had failed to protect China's sovereign resources adequately. Now that they are gone, the new team of Chinese leaders will do what the Chinese leaders should have done beginning 30 years ago. China does not need to placate the West. The world does not belong to the West. And once China has become the strongest country in the world, the world will be on China's side. Remember how Japan was talking about it can say no (to America) in the 1980's? Once America has been shown to be weaker than China, even Japan will kiss the Chinese @$$ and bite the American @$$. And India better watch out or be disintegrated into little pieces. Don't say you haven't been warned!
And calling 300,000 barrels of oil a "few drops" is obviously mendacioius. The Chinese people should see this and understand the thuggish nature of the foreigners, especially the Indians. There is no need to humor these thugs. Just kick their teeth down their throats and be done with it. Trying to placate these thugs like Hu and Wen had done for the last 10 years is what has brought China to this current dangerous situation. And China cannot get out of this dangerous situation without a forceful show of power and will to protect the motherland. In the end, thugs cannot be deterred with goodwill and friendship. They can only be deterred by crippling force. In other words, you cannot stop a dog from biting you with meatballs but with a big stick. And lastly, China is not a "would be" superpower. It is already a "superpower".
abe
Nice dream, Liang1a. Just one question, how can you save China from dirty air that millions in Beijing are suffering? How can you save China when fresh air is running out soon? A thuggish state might see an end of his life soon. No war is need indeed.
Liang1a
abe wrote:
January 17, 2013 at 5:05 am
Nice dream, Liang1a. Just one question, how can you save China from dirty air that millions in Beijing are suffering? How can you save China when fresh air is running out soon? A thuggish state might see an end of his life soon. No war is need indeed.
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Providing fresh air to Beijing and the rest of China is easy – mandate electric cars while generating abundant electricity with hydropower, wind and solar and nuclear power. China has plenty of river, windy hills and plains and sunny deserts. China has also discovered some 100,000 to 150,000 tons of urnium not counting the world class uranium depost discovered last November in Inner Mongolia. No specific amount of ore was reported for the Inner Mongolia discovery. It could be anywhere froom 100,000 tons to 1 million tons. Given so much uranium deposit, China can easily build 1,000 nuclear power plants with breeder reactors for hundreds of years. Clean air is a technological problem that can be easily solved.
tze dong
China will never becoming a super power, simply because it's always:
(1) going against the nature – Just looking at how the air polutted and the contaminated water/river in China;
(2) going against other non-Han people – Just looking at john chan and liang1a as an example, then looking at people in the main land china
(3) going against other peaceful neighbouring countries – just looking at Japan, Vietnam, India, the Philippines, Malaysia, Russia, etc; even Kim Jong Il left a will saying keep building nuke and never trust the Chinese.
Imbecilic Tactics
Why do you "abe", like "Oh", likes to divert from the subject dscussed? Polluted air? It seems no one can discuss rationally and logically on any subject. Going off on a tangent and taking taking cheap shots to score points are not the hallmark of an intellectual but clearly that of an imbecile. The CIA must be really scrapping the bottom of the barrel to recruit dregs like to be their moutpiece.
tanginathis
<i>Even if they did attack simultaneously, China can wipe them out systematically</i>
You're dreaming! when was the last time your Chinese soldiers have a real combat/war?… no no beating those monks is not counted.
we can't deny that US is war warmonger nation and that means they have every experience in real combat/war so how do you think you China wipe them out systematically?
haha! your comment is longer than the article itselft and most of us ain't no time to read that.
Liang1a
tanginathis wrote:
January 17, 2013 at 10:02 am
<i>Even if they did attack simultaneously, China can wipe them out systematically</i>
You're dreaming! when was the last time your Chinese soldiers have a real combat/war?… no no beating those monks is not counted.
we can't deny that US is war warmonger nation and that means they have every experience in real combat/war so how do you think you China wipe them out systematically?
haha! your comment is longer than the article itselft and most of us ain't no time to read that.
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The last time Chinese military fought a war was in Vietnam when the PLA taught the Vietnamese a painful lesson not to invade China's sovereign territories on land. Now it is time to teach the Vietnamese another lesson not to invade China's sovereignt territorial waters and islands.
As to America, talk is cheap. Americans had been very brave fighting peoples without arms or who ran away at the first sound of gunfire. How the Chinese military will do against American military? We'll see when the time comes when Chinese soldiers go toe to toe against them. The last time Chinese fought against the Americans we whipped their @$$. And that was when we didn't have weapons as advanced as they had. Now we have weapons that are just as good if not better. My bet is on the Chinese. My post is long but obviously worth the while for you ignoramuses to read. You will learn more truth than a whole lifetime of reading Japnese, American and assorted anti-Chinese propaganda.
Ray
Hehehhahahahahahahhohohohohohhahahahahhehehhahaho… dude you into stand-up comedy in China?
John Chan
China is a non-alliance country; it supports non-interference principle that treats all nations large and small as equal with respect, on that basis China respects Japan has the right to develop whatever means it needs for nation building.
Yet Japan has not shown remorse of its war crimes, it is an unapologetic war criminal, it is expanding its forebear’s imperialist militarism by occupying an ancient Kingdom, the Ryukyu Kingdom, encroaching on China territory and denying its war crimes, those rogue behaviour is causing concern from its neighbours.
Abe’s assertive Japanese imperial militarism under the shielding of its Fascism godfather is the main source of threat to the Asia’s peace and prosperity.
China has suffered terribly in the hands of Japanese imperial militarism and its atrocity; it is China’s right to defend itself against Japanese barbaric harms. It is wrong for the author to explain away the current Abe’s (on behalf of Japan) assertive imperial militarism expansion as a response to “strategic uncertainty about how China might use its future power. It is understandable hedging and soft balancing.” Such glossing over is akin to encourage the unapologetic war criminal to reoffend its crimes.
Booo Xiii Laiii
China is a very peaceful country, our comrade Mao only "FRIED" approximately 45 millions chinese people in single Great Leap Forward in 1958 to clear land for our next generation of one child policy. Please remeber our big Mao slogan Zao fan you li : To rebel is justified - Chairman Mao had encouraged attacks on virtually all of the existing party apparatus, and this rebellion extended to all forms of authority: parents., teachers, doctors, scientists, musicians, artists and intellectuals of every kind were targets of attack. Many coward choses to committed suicide, avoiding tobe sent to work on the harmony land in remote areas.
In 1989, we – the chinese CPC cracked down the students who once brainwashed by the Jap and Western in the Tianamen Square. 2000 – 3000 students were shot, thoudsand jailed and disapear for the belove of our CPC's peaceful rise.
Dr. J
@ jC
Please get help, you sound like a very disturbed man.
Kangmin Zheng
@jc,
You keep holding on the past. Japan is very peaceful and a civilized nation nowsday. China (under CCP ruling) is quite opposite. China is preparing its people for war with most of its neighbors. Chinese generals threaten to use nukes against U.S and or Japan. CCP is using dirty tactics to steal land from its neighbors. CCP shot and used tanks to crush peaceful protesters.
The U.S. WILL honor its Treaty commitment with Japan to defend Japan from CCP aggression. If there is military conflict, the U.S. us obliged under the alliance to intervene.
John Chan
@Kangmin Zheng,
Do you really believe time can erase crimes? No wonder Japan is unapologetic of its war crimes; because it is banking on time can erase its wicked war crimes. The Japanese neo fascist militarists are huffing and puffing ready to enact their forebear’s atrocity again, because they believe their sins are erased by such self-indulgent fallacy.
It is said, the White often forgets the injustice they have done to the non-white, but the non-white never forgets or forgives; it also can be said, the perpetrator often forgets the crime he committed against the victim, but the victim never forgets or forgives. Japan is a perpetrator of crime against humanity.
Bankotsu
"Already there is an established trilateral strategic dialogue, Australia, the United States and Japan, and an emerging trilateral forum of Japan, United States and India."
Let's not forget the Russia-India-China trilateral, the Japan-China-ROK trilateral and the Russia-Mongolia-China trilateral as well.
Russia-India-China: trilateral cooperation
http://valdaiclub.com/asia/42620.html
China–Japan–South Korea trilateral summit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Japan%E2%80%93South_Korea_trilateral_summit
Russia-China-Mongolia Trilateral
http://ubpost.mongolnews.mn/?p=1683
Kanes
Thank you Bankotsu for sharing these links.
Obviously the writer has missed many relevent issues. We all know US is moving 60% of its naval power to the Pacific. Dragging India into it is a deflection from the theatre of future power concentration. India has a very close defence partnership with Russia. Breaking that will be very costly for India. Japanese invites to impoverished India is akin to Chinese connection to North Korea. In my view China will match Japanese overtures to India by further strengthening NK's military.
Johnson Thomas K (@bharatjohnson)
I think it's a good thing PM Abe is mooting a Quadrilateral or even a bigger minilateral whilst holding similar confabulations with China too. Every nation state has the right to build bridges in both these scenarios and have an inherent interest in being prepared. Even in Mahabharat the great Indian epic Lord Krishna advises Pandavas who were the victims of injustice of their cousins Kauravas to build bridges with all surrounding nations in case something untoward were to haunt them via wars which he saw as a definite possibility. Being fully prepared is the surest way to prevent future wars as was the case in MAD during the Cold War.